Posted on 12/25/2011 12:04:53 PM PST by bayouranger
Islamic "Tolerance" Of Other Religions If Egyptian Coptic Christians are lucky, the Muslims around them will tolerate letting them live. Lucette Lagnado writes in the WSJ:
Kirolos Andraws had every reason to be excited about the January uprising in his native Egypt, figuring democracy would bring hope for young people like him. Copts Seek Asylum in America
Then one day in February, says Mr. Andraws, a gang of thugs beat him and told him, "you deserve to die." His offense, he says: refusing to convert to Islam.
In late March, Mr. Andraws, a 23-year- old engineer, used a tourist visa to board an Egyptair flight for New York City. He let a room in a friend's apartment, hired an immigration lawyer and applied for asylum. He has survived mainly on wages and tips from jobs as a cook, cashier and delivery man.
"I have no other option," says Mr. Andraws, who found refuge at a Queens church that's become a way station for Copts arriving in New York.
Mr. Andraws is one of thousands of Coptic Christians--followers of an ancient form of Christianity with its own language and rituals--who have come to the U.S. to escape rising persecution in Egypt.
For decades Copts have suffered attacks by Islamists who view them as "kafir"--Arabic for nonbelievers. But there is now a sense among Middle East experts that they have become more vulnerable since the revolution.
St George's Coptic Orthodox Church in Brooklyn, NY, has seen a dramatic influx of Coptic Christian refugees from Egypt since the overthrow of President Mubarak. Father Luke Awad does what he can to make them welcome. Photo: Gabriele Stabile/Cesuralab
This year, mobs have looted and attacked Coptic churches, homes and shops throughout Egypt. Churches have been burned down, and one Copt had his ear cut off by a Muslim cleric invoking Islamic law.
This is why any country becoming a Muslim majority country is a thing to be feared -- especially for people of other religions, apostates (who are to be slaughtered under Islam), gays, lesbians, and women. Is there anyone here who doesn't understand why fearing that is not "Islamophobia," but a very real thing to worry about?
More on the myth that religious minorities flourish under Islam, from the religionofpeace.com:
What Muslims call "tolerance," others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission.
...For those who are not "the People of the Book," such as Hindus and atheists, there is very little tolerance to be found once Islam establishes political superiority. The Quran tells Muslims to "fight in the way of Allah" until "religion is only for Allah." The conquered populations face death if they do not establish regular prayer and charity in the Islamic tradition (ie. the pillars of Islam).
Tamerlane and other Muslim warriors slaughtered tens of millions of Hindus and Buddhists, and displaced or forcibly converted millions more over the last thousand years. Islamists in Somalia behead Christians. In Iran, they are jailed.
One of the great ironies of Islam is that non-Muslims are to be treated according to the very standards by which Muslims themselves would claim the right to violent self-defense were the shoe on the other foot. Islam is its own justification. Most Muslims therefore feel no need to explain the ingrained arrogance and double standard.
There are about 500 verses in the Quran that speak of Allah's hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones.
As for Sura 109, any true Quran scholar will point out that the purpose of the verse was to distinguish Islam from the gods of the Quraysh (one of which was named "Allah") rather than to advocate religious tolerance for non-Muslims. At the time that he narrated this very early verse, Muhammad did not have any power, and thus no choice but to be "tolerant" of others. By contrast, there was no true tolerance shown when he returned to Mecca with power many years later and demanded the eviction or death of anyone who would not convert to Islam. In fact, he physically destroyed the cherished idols of the people to whom he had previously addressed in Sura 109.
If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun.
As long as Muslims are weak we have no trouble with them, but let them populate and get rich off American and foreign opil money ahd they become a problem.
There is but one way to deal with the problem. The sameway it was dealt with in the Crusades, kill them back until they are weak again.
Is that a good solution? Of course not, but it works, and if we do not do it we will be overun and killed ourselves or enslaved.
All of the diplomatic politicians and the suck-butts in the wordl cannot change the eventual solution. Fight or die.
How can we possibly provide protection under our Constitution to the intolerant when we also promise the same protection to the tolerant?
Something totally screwed up in our national thinking — it will ultimately bite us irreversibly in the a$$.
The sand people do not care about history, antiquity, beauty, art, culture, or religion. They only want subjugation and destruction.
Here is a dandy youtube presentations of what Islam represents and Its impact on India and the birth of Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IstZSgniH8
Islam is a satanic cult. There is no room for tolerance.
The truth is Islam is not a religion at all..
Its a political system.. it uses religious terms
to “trick” the spiritually inclined.. the non religiously
inclined have intention to deal with any “god” or “godlike”
claptrap..
Islam is itself a lie and promotes lies.. for morons..
Any thinking person can see that quickly when reading the Kuran..
And the Hadiths(source for Kuran) is total nonsense..
To be fair, T was an equal opportunity killer. He probably killed many more Muslims than non-Muslims.
At one time Islam was indeed more tolerant than Christianity. That’s why many thousands of Jews fled to the Ottoman Empire after being expelled from or persecuted in Spain, Portugal and other “Christian” countries.
Also, persecution of Jews and Christian “heretics” by “orthodox” Christians had a great deal to do with the very rapid Muslim conquest of Syria, Palestine, Egypt and North Africa. A good many of the heretics fought on the Muslim side or at minimum were passive aggressive in their support for the Byzantines. The rather minimal “tolerance” offered them by the Muslims was much better in their eyes at the time than the persecution of the Empire.
In the long run this didn’t turn out well for them, but they didn’t know that at the time, of course.
You are correct. The 6th century house of Mohammed was recently torn down. Some cleric clerk was pissed at his lot in life or something like that. Just not very happy people.
It’s unfortunate that they were purged when they pushed the koranimals out but those were difficult times.
As for “Syria, Palestine, Egypt and North Africa” they made their bed when they slept with the devil.
As we see today, islam & the koranimals are the bane of humanities existence.
No islam, know peace.
Mark
Great stuff, thank you. I will have to read it at length later.
Most of America fails to see that this is not a religion thus cannot be treated as a religion.
It sole role is to supplant whatever constitution that exists wherever it takes root. It is a invasive cancer which needs irradiation.
Do you recognize the pattern in Obama?
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