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To: wintertime
We got to the moon, finished among the top three countries in the world in science and education until fairly recently, and became the richest country on earth with minimally educated, compliant servants of the state?

I believe that they have been planning this for a hundred years or more, but the fruition of their efforts has been relatively recent.
65 posted on 12/25/2011 7:35:06 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: TheOldLady
We got to the moon, finished among the top three countries in the world in science and education until fairly recently,
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Perhaps earlier socialist schooling was academically successful because they running on the fumes of the values of earlier generations.

The high school in my community has been in existence barely 100 years, the elementary schools for a decade or two earlier. Even then, the one room schools in this county were essentially organized by the parents of the children who attended. The fathers built the school. The parents hired **a** teacher. The schools of my father's generation ( born 1913 and the generation that put men on the moon) were staffed by people who literally broke the first sod in this county or personally knew people who had.

We will see the same in socialized medicine. The professionalism and values of the existing medical educators and administrators will assure that the Obamacare won't be truly horrible at first. But....As these people retire and die, then we will see the true horror of socialized medicine.

66 posted on 12/25/2011 8:22:28 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: TheOldLady
with minimally educated, compliant servants of the state?
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Ok...So?...Who exactly put men on the moon? When were they born?

My father was born in 1913. What percentage of the population of his generation were educated in one room schools? Only a small percentage of the population graduated from high school. It was **not** common for there to be armies of Ph.D. scientists in companies that were responsible for the NASA effort. Most of the men my father worked with never finished college.

My father was the **head** engineer ( a high school drop out, by the way) for the team that produced the emergency power for the Mercury and Apollo missions. Most of the engineers on that project had **some** college education from night school at the local college. My father attended night school and learned engineering from classes offered at his company. It was routine for companies to train their own chemists and engineers.

By today's standards these men lack credentialing, but, I bet that by 7th grade all of them could add, subtract, multiply, and divide fractions, and tell you **exactly** what was meant by a numerator and denominator.

67 posted on 12/25/2011 8:34:33 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: TheOldLady
but the fruition of their efforts has been relatively recent.
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It's been truly horrible recently, I agree.

However....In my opinion, Franklin D. Roosevelt was made possible by having one to three generations of socialist schooled voters march into the voting booth and pull the lever for socialism.

Children who attend socialist schools risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. If a powerful government can give the child tuition-free socialist schooling, why not use that power to steal **lots** of socialist goodies from their neighbor?

68 posted on 12/25/2011 8:41:26 AM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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