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To: Democrat_media

Make no mistake you are for a HUGE all powerful government. and your comment about private property is a joke, right? Your respect for my property ends at my right to dispose of it as I see fit which includes using my property to purchase foreign goods.

What will it take to enforce your ban? You will need a very large army to prevent foreign goods from entering here. You have no problem telling me I cannot spend my money as I see fit. You will empower the unions and politicians while causing the rest of us to buy overpriced, backwards, and inferior goods (think 1970s Big Three). I see you’re now referring to foreign manufactured goods instead of imports. So I guess all that foreign oil, timber, sugar, coffee, tea, minerals, etc.. is alright by you? Maybe you don’t get this very basic economic fact, that demand is elastic and will expand and contract based on many things but the chief of which is price. There may be a market for a made in China widget at $1 but that market doesn’t exist for the same widget made in the US for $2. The widget isn’t worth $2 and the US cannot make it for $1. Here is the rub...that $1 widget may have provided jobs to the designers, engineers, salespeople, and warehouse workers who went to China to have their product manufactured.

Far fetched you think? Then you need to examine how Apple operates.

You understand the US still has the worlds leading manufacturing base. Employment is dropping that is a fact. so how do you propose to stop US manufacturers from continuing to automate and eliminate the need for people? once you ban imports are you then going to ban automation?

After the unions and companies drive up the price of iron and steel (or once imports are banned will you institute wage and price laws so as to keep process reasonable?) how much do you think appliances and cars will cost?

After your ban is implemented you realize that we will not be able to export, right? Those sneaky Chinese cannot spend dollars they don’t have. So kiss a big chunk of our Ag business goodbye along with most of CAT and Boeing.


130 posted on 12/27/2011 11:53:26 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety
The U.S. didn't trade with China for several decades. The U.S. didn't trade with China during the cold war.

That not trading with China during the cold war didn't require an army to not trade with China. People don't realize that that is all we have to do to get living standards rising again: to return to the cold war.Our living standards are falling , and what semblance of civilized living standards we have is financed with huge debt. The U.S. will collapse worse than Greece is.

And U.S. manufacturing grew during that time.

Now the U.S. manufacturing is disappearing: look at the tremendous job losses.

China stole our technology , our own market in the U.S., using our capital and our technology. So much so that in 1990 99% of China's people were peasants. Now 20 years later after ripping off the U.S.A. the middle class is exploding in China, China has 10 times more workers in manufacturing than the U.S. , rising living standards and is lending the U.S. trillions , while U.S. living standards are falling and debt is skyrocketing by trillions per year( government debt and consumer debt).

I'm for returning to the cold war when the U.S. living standards were rising.

I'm for eliminating the EPA, IRS, government schools, DEA, TSA and most government agencies and most laws. China is waging a war against the U.S. everything good has gown down in the U.S.A, job growth , living standards etc. since the U.S. signed the Clinton free trade deal with China. that deal has to be done away with and

We don't have to allow a foreign army to invade us with million of troops that's why we need a big government army.
You want no army?

We , in the U.S. don't have to allow 2 billion people who want to immigrate to the U.S.A. it seems you do. and you call that freedom.

Similarly don't have to allow a foreign country the size of China to invade the U.S. with trillions worth of factory and job destroying “products” that are destroying the U.S.A.

We have to stop trading with China because China has stolen U.S. technology and because China has manipulated currency , enacted trade barriers all which has caused great harm to this country and Americans. You say you are for freedom.Well China is destroying the last chance for freedom in the world a country called the U.S.A.

But most of all I am for stopping trade with China BECAUSE China is destroying our country economically.

And many countries are copying what China did to the U.S.A.

The U.S. is a country with borders. It can ban anything , be it illegals , a foreign army , or a foreign army of products from crossing the border. Using your "argument" then the U.S. is acting against freedom by not allowing all who want to immigrate to the U.S.A to come here. That's ridiculous. ditto for allowing any country that wants to dump products in the U.S.A. . If you want to buy China products so much then move to China . no one is forcing you to stay here. You say you are for freedom but you are helping communist China destroy the last hope of freedom in the world , the U.S.A. . It's obvious the U.S. is declining rapidly( look at our huge debt skyrocketing). You think communist China which is a dictatorship is for freedom? Anyone buying china products or defending trade with China is helping China destroy the U.S.A which is the last hope for freedom in the world.

U.S. living standards, wealth , power etc rose throughout U.S. history. It is only after starting this trade with China that U.S. living standards started to decline. We used to be the largest creditor nation now the U.S. is the biggest debtor nation, living standards are declining,we have no jobs etc. The U.S. had most of the technology, and technology is increasing at an exponential rate but still U.S. living standards are going down.

131 posted on 12/29/2011 1:50:25 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
You seem to be for no U.S. borders .

We have a border and we need a border.

The U.S. doesn't have to trade with China as the U.S. didn't trade with China for all of the cold war, decades of it.

The leftists/statists started this free trade propaganda to destroy U.S. borders and so sovereignty.

China is waging a trade war against the U.S. So anyone supporting this trade war is helping to destroy the U.S. economically and U.S. borders.

You are a globalist.

The U.S. would rising now if we didn't trade with the rest of the world and our borders and sovereignty would be intact. The U.S. has every resource , technology etc needed.
Take oil: we have coal that can be converted to oil, oil from shale , offshore oil. Instead we become dependent on Saudi and Islamic countries. ditto with becoming dependent on other countries .Our borders are going away with this free trade. You globalists call that freedom. Closing the border , enforcing the border, fighting a war against foreign countries has doesn't take away individual freedom: Actually it's the army, and border protection that protect our freedom and individual freedom.

It is the goal of the left (international socialists) to destroy the U.S. and it's borders. They are succeeding and the main tool of the left/statists is this free trade crap.

132 posted on 12/29/2011 2:02:41 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
It's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard: that you say that your freedom depends on the U.S.A allowing communist China to send country destroying, border destroying , economy destroying drones(products) into the U.S.

It is the Army which protects your and all of our freedom. You call that big government and freedom robbing government?

Ditto for border patrol.It's like you saying that If a business owner wants to bring an illegal in from another country and U.S. laws prevent that that destroys your freedom.That's what you are saying.

Your freedom depends on a strong military and a strong U.S. border. China is destroying that border and so your and everyone’s freedom.

China is waging an economic war into the U.S.. each China product is like a drone in a foreign army destroying the U.S. border, U.S. sovereignty, U.S. economy, our freedom and the U.S..

133 posted on 12/29/2011 3:03:08 AM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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