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We’ve Crossed the Rubicon
The Daily Reckoning ^ | 12/20/11 | Eric Peters

Posted on 12/20/2011 9:54:55 AM PST by crosshairs

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1 posted on 12/20/2011 9:54:57 AM PST by crosshairs
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“As the always excellent Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone recently observed, what happens when some nutjob who attended a few Tea Party meetings tries to bomb a federal building? Will the Tea Party itself — and anyone who “substantially supports” it — be thus transformed into an “enemy combatant”? How about the OWS protestors? How about this newsletter or website — and this author — which have on several occasions called b******* on the federal government’s usurpations and follies? How hard will it be, really, to describe such actions — such thoughts expressed in an article or an interview — as “substantially supporting” whatever the government decides amounts to “terrorism” or the threat thereof against itself?”

How about a Communist President and his administration?


2 posted on 12/20/2011 10:03:24 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: crosshairs

Prisons are not built to stand empty. See Montana and Illinois.

The inability to close Gitmo could just as easily be turned on it head with the DNC/Soros/0bama/Pelosi/Holder logic of “OK. We won’t close Gitmo. We’ll just put YOU there instead and perhaps right alongside the most dangerous guys there. Oh. Be sure to write home...but don’t count on what you write being delivered. In fact, don’t count on anyone knowing where you went, ever.”


3 posted on 12/20/2011 10:20:54 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: crosshairs

Even a blind pig finds the occasional acorn.


4 posted on 12/20/2011 10:21:05 AM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: crosshairs

It’s even worse than stated. They don’t even have to define the Tea Party as being terrorist because they don’t have to answer to anyone. All they have to do is arrest you because they want to, and if anyone objects, say that you were plotting to blow something up. They don’t have to tell the world anything more than that. And they only have to do that if someone is able to make a public issue out of your disappearance. They don’t have to produce any evidence whatsoever. All they have to do is say that you were planning to do it. Period.


5 posted on 12/20/2011 10:24:35 AM PST by StonyMan451 (As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
After asking on another thread why the president had failed to follow through on his promise to close Gitmo, I ran into the news story on the legalization of carting off domestic terrorists. In the article, they spoke of people allied to AQ.
This is breathtakingly misleading when you consider that right wingers have already been singled out by the administration for scrutiny.

Say hello to your new tropical home, hope you can stand mosquitoes. Myself, I'm allergic.

6 posted on 12/20/2011 10:25:13 AM PST by stormhill
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The language of the bill specifically includes American citizens “caught” within the borders of the United States — aka, the “battlefield.”

Insane. It's difficult to believe they could find any support for that.

There is a need for special tactics if a US citizen is planning and/or directing terrorist activities against the US from a foreign country. But there is no need for that if the citizen is breaking the law within US borders since the lawbreaker would be subject to all the law enforcement and investigative agencies of of the applicable local, state and federal jurisdictions.

7 posted on 12/20/2011 10:25:37 AM PST by Will88
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To: crosshairs
Watch your top knot and keep your powder dry.

For all of their mechanisms, they sorely underestimate or set at nuaght tow things.

One: American by the tens of miullions are still armed (160 million armed with 6 billion weapons and many tens of billions of rounds of ammo). We will not give them up.

Two: As Patrick henry said, "There is a just God in Heaven who presides over the affairs of nations." That was true then, and it is true now.

The goldelss tyrants will meet the same fate as others before them. but it will be ugly and long, if we allow them to push it that far. We may have 2012 to force a big turn around, doubling down on 2010. Even then, if we succeed, turning it around and removing the nipple of the public largess from the mouths of the people who feel they are entitled to the dole will not be easy.

Obama continues to double down on his own misbegotten decisions the entire time.

8 posted on 12/20/2011 10:30:10 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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Mandatory reading: The Whisperers: Private Life in Stalin’s Russia by Orlando Figes. They declared war on “kulaks,” an invented, ill-defined, free-floating enemy of the state. Sound familiar? Great ideas never go out of fashion.


9 posted on 12/20/2011 10:31:34 AM PST by Petronius ("My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!")
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All they have to do is say that you were planning to do it. Period.

Shades of Minority Report.
We really are cattle; there's no learning from history at all. The only stupid response you get from people is a variation on the theme: "It can't happen here. This is America!"

Even on FR we're still playing the game of "more conservative than thou" when the entire culture is going down the $#!+hole.

10 posted on 12/20/2011 10:35:46 AM PST by stormhill
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Achtung, baby!

11 posted on 12/20/2011 10:38:11 AM PST by newheart (Newt's a loose cannon, but at least he knows who the real target is.)
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To: Jeff Head
...6 billion weapons ...

Counting all the steak knives?

12 posted on 12/20/2011 10:54:12 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: crosshairs

Also discussed at length a few days ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2820975/posts


13 posted on 12/20/2011 10:57:19 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Obama has already made it clear that China is the model. If he follows in Mao’s footsteps, about 60 million deaths by execution/starvation can be expected. The question is will that be enough?


14 posted on 12/20/2011 10:58:27 AM PST by Spok (From hope and change to change is hopeless. In just the first term.)
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Nope, with the 160 million firearms owners, that’s one estimate I read. ]

Heck, I know I have half of that average myself and I know a lot of people who have a whole lot more than I do.

There are plenty of firearms owners who have in excess of 80 weapons...a lot of them actually.

Realistically, if you haverage at even 10 weapons each (which is going to be low), that’s still 1.6 billion wepaons.


15 posted on 12/20/2011 11:03:34 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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“Counting all the steak knives?”

And possibly rotating discombobulation devices such as brush chippers and ... “blenders”.

Merry Christmas!


16 posted on 12/20/2011 11:06:34 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: DuncanWaring

It is a timely topic. I do not call 68 post as being discussed at length.

I have see threads that had hundreds of responses . Continually being brought forward from a slightly different slant.

Many are the threads we miss, if we do not come everyday to Free Republic and spend a good bit of time here. MO

I missed the one (thread) to which you referred.


17 posted on 12/20/2011 11:07:04 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Jeff Head

A common number I’ve seen is “250 million”, but that’s been around for at least a decade and sales seem to have been running on the order of 10 million per year for a few years ... my own guess would be closer to 350 million.

Which is still more than enough for one for everyone in the country.

Keep in mind that a lot of the 160 million only have one or two.


18 posted on 12/20/2011 11:11:45 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Yeah, and every stupid bed-wetting idiot Rep/Sen that voted “Yes” - OMG!
“Let’s quick build huge FEMA camps to put everyone in before they put us in prison for our corrupt activities.” If anyone needs proof of who’s ruling over you, S1867 is your sign, and it’s screaming OBEY! Regards, Km


19 posted on 12/20/2011 11:26:28 AM PST by kickme (...at the window watching...waiting for my NUKalert to start chirpin'....)
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To: geologist

“At length” is a relative term. ;-)

Many threads are indeed missed by many people - that’s why I posted the reference to the original.


20 posted on 12/20/2011 11:26:47 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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