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To: D-fendr
I just have no more ability to conceive of a universe where supernatural beings exist than I do to conceive of a universe where 2+3 does not equal 3+2.

And in my last fifty-plus years on this planet, I have managed to educate myself both formally and informally; serve my country in uniform; steadily advance in my chosen career; marry a lovely woman and stay happily married to her for thirty years; and raise a family.

All without ever being particularly perturbed about "the creative principle of the universe" or "the source of absolute truths", which apparently are a lot more important to you than they are to me.

19 posted on 12/20/2011 11:10:52 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: Notary Sojac
conceive of a universe where supernatural beings exist

I would wager that if we could discuss your conception of supernatural beings, I wouldn't conceive of them either.

All without ever being particularly perturbed about… which apparently are a lot more important to you than they are to me.

I think of it more in terms of meaning, value, what is this incredible cosmos we swim in, what's our relationship to it and what's important about our and my existence. And I see this as what humans who are fortunate enough to survive past middle age tend to think about then, if not sooner.

All of these questions lie in the realm of philosophy and religion. But, I completely accept the validity of your position as well. Just because I can't imagine living an unexamined life, doesn't mean anyone else has to do squat.

I also think that there are many who are transparent to it. They live a deeply connected (religious) life without thinking about it.

The first step is for both views to acknowledge and respect the alternate position; and, if discussion is desired, do so on that basis.

thanks for your reply.

23 posted on 12/20/2011 11:33:21 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Notary Sojac
"I just have no more ability to conceive of a universe where supernatural beings exist than I do to conceive of a universe where 2+3 does not equal 3+2."

What does that have to do with anything? It frequently often happens that some people conceive of things that others do not, not even very smart people. Maybe you should broaden your thinking. "And in my last fifty-plus years on this planet, I have managed to educate myself both formally and informally; serve my country in uniform; steadily advance in my chosen career; marry a lovely woman and stay happily married to her for thirty years; and raise a family."

Well, that will get you at least as far as your grave.

25 posted on 12/20/2011 11:41:10 AM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: Notary Sojac

What religion or denomination were u born to from your folks?

their folks?

Atheists seem to spring from some groups more than others....

But be my guest....i support your lack of religion

But much like homosexuality I dont think it should hold the majority hostage

And likely neither do you...or u would not be here


63 posted on 12/21/2011 12:02:46 AM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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