[little jeremiah]

God is the arbiter of morals. Otherwise you are stating that whoever is in power gets to choose or you're pushing anarchy. There is no in between.

I often try to point this fact out to liberaltarians, and they refuse to see the simple truth. Unrestrained hedonism will always lead to chaos and anarchy, which then eventual ushers in the Big Dog of ultimate jackbooted thugism, which they all claim to hate. And then the powerful make the rules. There are two choices about morality:

1. Following the standard, universal moral absolutes described in religions.

2. Each human decides for themselves what's good and bad, right and wrong. Which of course quickly ushers in the aforementioned chaos and anarchy. It's so simple a 5 or 6 year old child can understand this.

[DJ MacWoW]

Liberaltarians tend to not think things through. ;-)

They also claim to want to return to what the founders intended. Their problem is that THEY had morality laws on a state level. ALL states had them.