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In retrospect, sections of the PATRIOT Act were really felony stupid with the radical left in control of the rats. They assumed conservatives, or at least the GOP, would control the White House forever. After Obama and Holder, assume the worst in rat administrations.
1 posted on 12/19/2011 1:39:48 AM PST by neverdem
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In retrospect, sections of the PATRIOT Act were really felony stupid with the radical left in control of the rats. They assumed conservatives, or at least the GOP, would control the White House forever. After Obama and Holder, assume the worst in rat administrations.

"Always assume that a law will be interpreted by your worst enemy." Lyndon B. Johnson

72 posted on 12/19/2011 9:58:57 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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It is said that "hard cases make bad law." It's turning out that easy cases also make bad law.

The easy case is the killing of Al Awlaki. Much is made of his "American citizenship." Yet his "citizenship" comes courtesy of the Supreme Court's distortion of the 14th Amendment, creating birthright citizenship. He was born on American soil, but of parents who were not citizens. His citizenship was in name only. He had no loyalty to nor attachment to the United States. In no sense was he an "American."

Regardless of citizenship, he was a self-declared enemy of the United States, who had taken action to further than enmity. There was no way he could be brought to trial. Killing him was the only option, to keep him from further harming the US.

And that's the problem. His was an easy case. Unfortunately, it opens the door to cases that aren't so easy. Where is the "bright line?" Where is the "stopping point" at which we decide, no, this case doesn't permit execution without trial, simply on the order of the President? We don't have any bright line, nor any stopping point. Once we decide Al Awlaki can be killed at the decision of the President, with no other review or judicial intervention, there is no stopping point. Anyone can be targeted.

I'm afraid that with the passage of the NDAA, the government has in effect declared war on the American people. It's going to be messy before it's over.

74 posted on 12/19/2011 10:10:13 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. A primer on armed revolt. Available form Amazon.)
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The Patriot Act was the first bill officially of the RinoCrat UniParty...and is their basis for extension f their power. just MHO...of course.

Welcome to the United Soviet States of America..where the Pravda State Media “vet” the candidates to the pleasure and needs of the RinoCrat UniParty.

This “election” will be a non-election...featuring the state approved “candidates”-whose only distinction is whether they are black or white.


79 posted on 12/19/2011 10:50:43 AM PST by mo
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Yesterday the wife and I had a (for us) real ‘knock down and drag out’ argument. We finally realized it was a side effect of our concern over the situation we find our country and society in. She works while I (old and disabled) stay home and keep my finger on the pulse of the nation. I send her (and others) several posts a day from around the web which describe what is happening and what we can expect in the future.

It has a terrible effect on us, our relationship and how we get along with our neighbors and relatives. That may be one reason so many of our friends refuse to think about anything more serious than the NFL or Dancing With the Stars.


83 posted on 12/19/2011 11:20:39 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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Most of the senate GOP voted for this as well and are equally to blame.


107 posted on 12/22/2011 5:12:18 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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