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To: kabar
LOL. In understand what a 7-1 vote in the Ethics committee and a 395-28 vote in the House means in terms of Newt's guilt, which he admitted to. He paid the $300,000 fine. 196 Reps voted for the reprimand and 28 against. How is this a partisan witch hunt? J. Randolph Evans, Gingrich’s attorney, said his client "has apologized to the subcommittee, to the House and to the American people." You can believe in anything you want about the legitimacy of the charges against Gingrich, but the facts are the facts. Do you understand what that means?

Ethics panel votes and House votes are of course opinions, in this case about an ethic charge. They are not facts about the ethics charge. I specifically gave you the facts surrounding the one ethics charge they pinned on Newt and the one ethics charge he finally broke down and agreed to.

You ignore those facts and instead give me vote counts and fine totals. So what is the point of further discussion?

BTW, in the interest of accuracy, Newt never admitted to doing anything illegal or unethical. Your comment above implies otherwise, and you are wrong. Go and read his direct statement after they found him guilty of the one charge.

Or you can continue to believe what you want.

BTW, 85 ethics charges and investigations over four years that lead nowhere is a witch hunt. It's absurd to think such futility isn't. How embarrassing for you to think those were legitimate investigations that weren't grounded in the politics of that time.

You appear to have forgotten the endless propaganda fight the Democrats and the left waged against Newt. And you appear to have forgotten how the House Republicans cut and ran for the own political lives, instead of supporting what was right.

I haven't.

394 posted on 12/18/2011 10:41:41 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Ethics panel votes and House votes are of course opinions, in this case about an ethic charge. They are not facts about the ethics charge. I specifically gave you the facts surrounding the one ethics charge they pinned on Newt and the one ethics charge he finally broke down and agreed to.

Are you serious? The Ethics committee and the House had access to the "facts" in this case and they made their decision in a bipartisan manner. If your objective is to retry the case, then why didn't Newt appeal the case? Why did he admit guilt? I am sure Charlie Rangel could make similar protestatiions and call his reprimand political. You can disagree with the decision, but you can't disagree with the fact that Newt was judged guilty.

Here is the 137 page report from the Ethics committee

You ignore those facts and instead give me vote counts and fine totals. So what is the point of further discussion?

I really don't know what your issue is. Newt said recently, "In a recent interview with Van Susteren, Gingrich that the investigation against him was itself conducted by "a very partisan political committee" in a way that "related more to the politics of the Democratic Party than to ethics." This is an outright lie given the facts. 196 Republicans voted for the reprimand. It was bipartisan.

BTW, in the interest of accuracy, Newt never admitted to doing anything illegal or unethical. Your comment above implies otherwise, and you are wrong. Go and read his direct statement after they found him guilty of the one charge.

Here is Newt's statement on the charges--The investigative subcommittee of the Committee on Standards of Official conduct has issued a statement of alleged violation. "With great sadness, I have filed an answer which admits to that violation....In my name and over my signature, inaccurate, incomplete and unreliable statements were given to the committee, but I did not intend to mislead the committee. "

You appear to have forgotten the endless propaganda fight the Democrats and the left waged against Newt. And you appear to have forgotten how the House Republicans cut and ran for the own political lives, instead of supporting what was right.

I also remember House Republicans forcing him out of his leadership position.

398 posted on 12/19/2011 7:33:54 AM PST by kabar
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