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To: ken5050; CutePuppy

Thanks for the headsup-——collateral effect of the MF debcale.....still rolling out as we type.


75 posted on 12/18/2011 8:57:57 AM PST by Liz
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Leave to the likes of ZeroHedge, TheBuisnessInsider, TheMaketInsider, TheMarketOracle to sensationalize, blow up things out of proportion and stand the logic on its head by blaming the wrong parties (CFTC and CME) for the logical outcome of Corzine's / MF-created problem with misusing segregated customers' accounts.

TMO article, just like Ann Barnhardt's missive before, is attempting to blame "the system" (CFTC and, particularly CME, implying "systemic failure" just like Sen. Debbie Stebanow tried to do in hearings, to create more regulations and deflect the blame from Corzine, Abelow et al.) for actions that MF undertook.

As the article points out, much bigger outfits, like Lehman, Bear Stearns and Barings went bankrupt without any problems with their segregated trading customers' accounts (whether they held physical or paper assets and trading positions); same goes for smaller entities like Refco, which MFGH (then part of UK based Man Group) acquired from bankruptcy in late 2005.

FTA:

What in the world does any of this have to do with a banking "fractional reserve system"? And, BTW, so much for the supposed superiority of holding illiquid "physical" assets (gold and silver) instead of "paper" assets!

In real world, this is just about the customers' assets (physical or "paper") that are supposed to be and have always been "untouchable" accounts that were "touched" / misused by the likes of one "Master of the Universe" Jon Corzine, ostensibly to be used as a collateral for margin, for a short period of time, to enable highly leveraged MFGH to be sold to financially stronger entity. J.C. Flowers and Corzine were shopping the company and IBG had agreement "in principle" to acquire MFGH the day after the news of "money missing from customers' accounts" broke.

FTA:

Assets are assets. Where did the confused notion that a "physical" bullion asset should be in any way "safer" than the "paper" asset come from? If the "cash" or gold / silver bullion or antique furniture can be put up as collateral, then it can be "pooled with the rest of the assets" for any purpose.

The answer to the question "If a major bullion bank were to declare bankruptcy or a major exchange a default, how would it affect you?" is simple: you are screwed, unless there is account insurance (which there usually is, provided to the brokerage by companies like Aon, Society of Lloyd's/Lloyd's of London, Marsh & McLennan, Munich Re, Willis Group, etc.) and the insurance companies are solvent.

In fact, there are now proposals under consideration of making insurance fee mandatory for commodity brokerages (similar to SIPC insurance) which will be passed on to the customers and make trading / hedging more expensive - thanks, Mr. Corzine!

72% payout is guaranteed by CME and will be distributed by the trustee for now, until they know how much money they can "recover" and claw back for the customers.

It's explained here:
Corzine: MF Staff Said Fund Transfer Legal - BL, by Silla Brush and Clea Benson, 2011 December 15

Basically, it takes time to sort out the Corzine's mess, and allocate the funds appropriately.

FTA:

Actually, quite the opposite, as from the above, they are trying to find where the money is and claw back for the customers. In the hearings, everybody confirmed that customers' accounts were first in line to receive the "recovered" money. And there is no run on the "system." Thankfully, only a few are calling for it and not everybody is talking like they 99% losers of OWS.

FTA:

That's the kind of lunacy and idiocy we should expect from ZeroHedge, TheBusinessInsider, TheMarketInsider, TheMarketOracle and other pseudo-financial liberal "Wall Street conspiracy" blogs. Apparently, they have "Jim Cramer envy" (of TheStreet.com and CNBC) and try to outdo him with the scariest phony scenarios they can conjure up.

For some reasons, the richest people on the planet (whether we like them or not) like Buffett, Bill Gates, Soros, Carlos Slim et al. have most of their money "on Wall Street" and mostly in the form of liquid "paper" assets.

From the original Barron's article, that somehow didn't make it into TMO excerpt:

What did Celente expect would happen when he refused the margin call? Something different from what happens to any "other" customer? Didn't like it - could move the account to another brokerage which will allow a smaller margin collateral... if he could find it. And what difference does it make if the margin call is on "physical" gold or "paper" gold, except that it's a lot more difficult to move gold bars than do electronic "paper" transfer?

That's it in a nutshell. This is what Erin Arvedlund's article is really all about - whether the self-described Customers Coalition will file a "deep pocket" lawsuit against CME and how it's affecting and may affect in the future its price (for what it's worth, it will be a futile lawsuit, CME has no liability here; in fact CME and Duffy have been a standout). It's not about "run on the system" or "long-standing culture of fraud" that was just now discovered by customers of MFGH and other brokerages.

Speaking of CME, Duffy just got a waiver from increased Illinois business taxes.

From Quinn signs Sears-CME tax breaks into law - CT, by Kathy Bergen, 2011 December 16

Now that should drive OWS crowd batty.

79 posted on 12/18/2011 1:12:01 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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