sourcery noted: “it also assumes that there are no highly-authoritative sources who strongly disagree.”
Which is the case. All the Vattel-birthers’ sources are either so old they were considering the situation before the 14’th Amendment and its interpretation in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), or so new they only dug up the long-dead theory when they needed reasons why Obama can’t be president.
In our time, there has been no question that native-born citizens qualify as natural-born. No one was writing that /Black’s Law Dictionary/ had the definition wrong. When the journal articles by Gordon and Pryor stated that the eligibility of the native-born was clear and settled, no one came out in disagreement. That changed in October or November of 2008, with the first of Leo Donofrio’s losing lawsuits.
Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you can cite yourself blogging back in 2004 that Senator Hatch was incorrect to say, “Clearly, someone born in the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” Just cite yourself taking your position before Obama was the issue, and I’ll retract the above. I still won’t agree, but I’ll respect you as a principled contrarian, rather than someone who starts telling the rules different when he doesn’t like who is winning.
You have said nothing to show that the Supreme Court has not already defined “natural born citizen” as “born on US soil to parents who are citizens.” Nothing you or anyone else says or believes can supercede the authority of exist SCOTUS precedent. It’s the law of the land. So unless you can prove that’s not the case, and unless your comments are sequitur to that point, you can and will be ignored.
Blade, a person born of one American and one alien parent has never been determined to be natural born. The issue has never been resolved.
“When the journal articles by Gordon and Pryor stated that the eligibility of the native-born was clear and settled,”
I don’t want to be mean, Mr Bryan, and I won’t be. I’ve read through your posting history and found nothing but argumentative overreach. Your material is a stretch at every point in your journey.
Your demeanor is sour and your argument is as if you just type what some body tells you.
You post as if you are a well respected constitutional scholar, you are not.
But you may have played one, from time to time. Give it up or you will suffer great emotional devastation. Go back to the progressive herd where you belong.
Orrin Hatch should be no one's final authority on the law and it has been plain he had a multitude of things wrong via his association with Ted Kennedy.
You're apparentlysaying that because no court has--in our time--held a distinction between natural born and native that they've somehow become equivalent, as if time itself works to supersede Minor (or any other judicial decision, it would appear).
Such "reasoning" shows no regard for history or this country's Founders, or centuries of distinguished, thoughtful jurists, and is worthy of less respect that OWS'ers claiming to have rightfully acquired foreclosed property for themselves.
Other than working as a malefactor on this Conservative website, why could possibly be here?
HF