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“I truly fail to see the legitimacy of your argument, Blade. You continue to harp on the question as to why all the birther’s waited until this President to voice their concern over NBC status.”

Whether or not you see its legitimacy, I note that you concede on the facts of the matter. We never heard of them advance their legal theory until they needed reasons why Barack Obama cannot be president. In our time, for all of Barack Obama’s life and more, anyone could simply look up the term in /Black’s Law Dictionary/ and see that Obama qualified. As far as we can tell, that was just fine with all who are now Vattel-birthers, right up until about November of 2008.

In other threads we’ve seen birthers claim that their grade-school civics textbooks said that only those born to two citizen parents are natural-born. When challenged for a citation, they had none, so they turned around the challenge and asked for civics books that said being born in the United States is sufficient. Challenge met. Some civics books did teach the meaning of natural-born citizen and of those we found 100% of them said that the native-born qualify.

We’ve heard birther claim that politicians don’t care about the Constitution and just ignore the requirement. Nonsense. The Clinton and Nixon administrations published orders of succession that excluded their Secretaries of State, because Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger are not natural-born citizens.

If you don’t think that’s a legitimate point, well, that’s you. The rule that the native-born are natural-born was clear. It was in /Black’s Law Dictionary/, in civics textbooks, legal journals, and court opinions. In our time no one was saying otherwise until the sore losers started telling the rules different when they didn’t like who was winning.

Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you can cite... Oh, I’ve asked that already.


123 posted on 12/19/2011 12:02:41 AM PST by BladeBryan
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To: BladeBryan
In other threads we’ve seen birthers claim that their grade-school civics textbooks said that only those born to two citizen parents are natural-born. When challenged for a citation, they had none, so they turned around the challenge and asked for civics books that said being born in the United States is sufficient. Challenge met. Some civics books did teach the meaning of natural-born citizen and of those we found 100% of them said that the native-born qualify.

You, who quckly qualifies what the law should be by harkening to "in our time", are of course being opportunistically dishonest, but you know that, don't you? I'm sure you are happy to think of school kids being dumbed down whenever it serves your Leftist agenda.

I trust you're further aware of the repugnance of your example to Conservative thought and how we detest any idea of a "living Constitution", but you wear this unprincipled victory happily, despite your knowledge of the truth. Your furtherance of this intellectual dishonesty that would rob the youth of their heritage, carefully prepared in full honesty, deserves to follow you for the rest of your days, whether in this life or hereafter. Lk 17:2

HF

137 posted on 12/19/2011 12:11:33 PM PST by holden
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To: BladeBryan
1926 Bouvier's Law Dictionary. Obama fails. Photobucket
142 posted on 12/19/2011 7:01:45 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: BladeBryan
Wrong. June 2008 I told my daughter he was not qualified.

I didn't just start saying he was not qualified in December 2008.

In 1970 I had a teacher tell our class, not out of a handbook, but from her knowledge, that NBC required two citizen parents.

You don't like the fact that many other people are relating similar events, so you insinuate they are all liars. You can't handle the truth. The truth is, about 30 percent or more of the public know he's not qualified.

152 posted on 12/20/2011 6:31:39 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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