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How to Shut Down the Welfare State (It's really easier than you think).
American Thinker ^ | 12/16/2011 | Richard B. Jones

Posted on 12/16/2011 7:45:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: yldstrk

Apparently you haven’t been listening to Professor Gingrich. We are supposed to offer people a free choice of better foreign aid, corporate and farm subsidies, non-performing federal agencies.

Get with the program, okay? /s


81 posted on 12/16/2011 2:24:58 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: SeekAndFind
...people living in poverty learn to get away from it -- if they want -- much more quickly by suffering its disadvantages

Tough love, baby...

82 posted on 12/16/2011 2:26:28 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: DH

Personally, I don’t think better big government is a conservative argument.


83 posted on 12/16/2011 2:28:16 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: yldstrk
oh the poor, let’s pick on them, it’s so much fun to pretend we are so different from them

I don't have to pretend.

I spent years in school, studying hard stuff.

Calculus, differential equations, stuff like that.

Spent years after that, going to bed early, no Midnight Basketball, getting up in the morning and going to work.

On a regular basis.

That's why I'm not poor.

84 posted on 12/16/2011 2:34:53 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: yldstrk

“It could be you next week, don’t you see that?”

No, it would not be me next week. I follow Dave Ramsey’s advice. I consume far less than I produce. I save. I build wealth. God bless the American Dream.


85 posted on 12/16/2011 2:36:14 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: goseminoles

One of the better typos this month.


86 posted on 12/16/2011 2:43:40 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: yldstrk
And what say you to the $600 toilet seat sold by the contractor to the military?

Based on my years in the navy and a year working for a government contractor, I'd estimate that $500 or so of that $600 was spent for contract compliance and government-mandated testing.

87 posted on 12/16/2011 2:50:35 PM PST by Bob
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To: yldstrk
People are so proud when they have a job saving them from the ignominy of being on the dole.

True, some are. There are also those who pride themselves in 'getting over' on 'the system'.

For the former, I'd wager few of their parents were ever on 'assistance', and in the latter group, I'd wager most of their parents were on welfare at one point or another, or perhaps consistently.

There was a time when self sufficiency, when supporting a family, was the general goal of most Americans, and in some quarters, that ethic survives.

In others, sadly, the destruction of the nuclear family (Mom, Dad, and kids) is virtually complete, and the stripping of religious reference from public exposure has not helped those who are seeking guidance despite the clause "...nor prohibit the free exercise thereof" in the First Amendment.

The influences of television and pop culture are generally in the wrong direction as well.

For those who want better, there is better, but they cannot stay in the inner city and expect it to come to them. They either have to make it happen (tough to do with all the regulation out there favoring the status quo, not to mention cultural inertia), or they have to relocate and build a life for themselves. The latter is not easy, but it can be done. Productive people are sympathetic toward those who genuinely want to be productive people, too, and would much rather give a hand up than a handout.

I have met people from all over the US who have come here in search of work and found it. It isn't easy, but they are doing it, not just here, but in other areas where the oil and gas industry are going strong.

The biggest obstacles I have seen people run into are not being able to pass a drug test, wanting a paycheck but not work, and feeling entitled to a corner office on day one.

Here, for the next few months, the winter weather is an obstacle as well (you can't sleep in your car until the first couple of paychecks come in).

88 posted on 12/16/2011 2:58:44 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: yldstrk; Wolfie
Wolfie is right, foreign aid, corporate and farm subsidies, non-performing federal agencies is what we need to shut down over the course of 18 years.

Most of that should be gone in 18 months, imho.

89 posted on 12/16/2011 3:03:08 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Auto correct. There is a website about auto correct and its hilarious. I think its damnautocorrect.com.


90 posted on 12/16/2011 3:13:33 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: yldstrk
It could be you next week, don’t you see that?

Yes, I see that. I have been there and didn't get the T-shirt.

This is why I am sympathetic toward a hand, but not an ongoing handout. I shovelled snow to feed my grandkids one winter and worked temporary jobs through the holidays (waaay 'underemployed') to meet the bills. People paid me for working, not to sit on my butt and whine.

For those who can't relocate, get on a 'spot jobs' list, put an ad in the local freebie newspaper for odd jobs.

You'll get the nastiest work available at the worst times. The pay might not be great, but it is something. But if you do those jobs without complaint and as well as you can, it may lead to more (one of my 1-week 'temporary' jobs ran three months, paying just enough to meet the pared-down budget, and I left on great terms to start my own business).

91 posted on 12/16/2011 3:18:04 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: yldstrk

The point is, taxpayers should not be providing you with a permanent living. Assistance for a short time while you find a job or MOVE TO WHERE THERE ARE JOBS, is acceptable. As far as pumping out babies like it’s a contest, not on the taxpayers dime! There is no such thing as accidental pregnancy, we have known what causes it for decades now. Probably be a good idea to get that birth control implant as long as you are on the dole, and remove it when you are off.
My most radical idea, is to set up government stores in every major city where bread is baked and milk is bottled. Farmers, restaurants and charities would donate other food goods. If you want the food, you have to volunteer and work at the store to get the goods. Work, get tokens, trade tokens for goods. Think that is harsh? You don’t HAVE to participate, If you want brand name processed products, you are free to buy them like everybody else. What if you had a relative on this program? Wouldn’t it motivate extended family members to buy groceries for those they love? This is for survival only to prevent you and your family from starving. It is SUPPOSED to be uncomfortable so you will improve your situation.


92 posted on 12/16/2011 4:45:53 PM PST by Boiling point
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To: SeekAndFind

The whole shebang isn’t going to last for 18 more years, point is moot.


93 posted on 12/16/2011 4:54:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
WIC cards are very restrictive as to what and how much you can buy.

You can buy milk (Not flavored), dry beans or peanut butter, whole grain bread or other whole grains, eggs, cheese, juice, tuna, and fresh fruit and veggies. That is pretty much it. No pop, no coffee, no sugar, no prepared foods, no meat, no ice cream. It is one of the only programs that has these restrictions and is one of the few where the money is actually mostly spent the way it should be.

It was probably a food stamp card. That is an entirely different animal.

94 posted on 12/16/2011 5:36:42 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: Wordkraft
Sorry, but that line is from Shakespeare’s Hamlet. “Neither a borrower nor a lender be, for loan oft loses both itself and friend.”

Thank you for the correction! Having both numerous Franklin bios and Shakespeare's complete works on my shelf, I'm abashed!

95 posted on 12/17/2011 8:51:10 AM PST by Albion Wilde (A land of hyper-legalisms is not the same as a land of law. --Mark Steyn)
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To: yldstrk

The phrase “one by each” comes from a line in the Charles Bronson movie Breakheart Pass, in which the villain, who’s overpowered an Army fort, threatens to slaughter his hostages. He says he’ll kill “the bluebellies one by each.” He’ll get to them all, one at a time. In this case, my post meant let’s cut all the wasteful spending in time, but you’ve got to start somewhere.


96 posted on 12/17/2011 10:52:29 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Col Freeper

Thanks. The well wishes are most welcome. :)


97 posted on 12/18/2011 8:08:25 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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