[Mr Ramsbotham]

I think the point is that MAN fell from grace by choice and through willful action, God did not ‘throw’ man into anything.

Man didn't "fall" from anything. He's always been what he is.

[Mr. Silverback]

Man didn't "fall" from anything. He's always been what he is.

Says who? Even if religion is all bunk, you don't know that. Interesting how people of science and reason are as certain about things that happened 200,000 years before their birth as any Southern Baptist preacher is about the Garden of Eden.