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NO THANKS, NO NEWT
boblonsberry.com ^ | 12/16/11 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 12/16/2011 6:12:39 AM PST by shortstop

No Newt, no thanks.

He's fun to listen to in a debate, but he doesn't belong on the ballot or in the Oval Office.

Because a brilliant bad man is still a bad man, and Newt Gingrich is a bad man.

He is not good for the Republican Party, and he is not good for the United States. And his popularity in the polls is both troublesome and inexplicable. A big-government career politician, an only sporadic conservative, he has somehow caught the attention and affection of just enough Republicans to be the top contender for the party's presidential nomination.

That is insane. It is time for the infatution to end.

Newt Gingrich is not worthy to be either the nominee of his party nor the the president of his country. He fails the basic test of integrity and temperament.

Yes, anybody would be better than Barack Obama, but in a country of 310 million people, we can do better than Newt Gingrich.

Let's go down the list of reasons why.

First, he is not a nice man. He is shrill, ego-centric, spiteful and vindictive. That is not my observation, it is the report of dozens and dozens who have worked with him. He doesn't have a Napolean complex, he has a God complex. He is a bitter man who, in private dealings with his supposed friends and allies, has no regard for others and their interests.

The Contract with America, which was largely penned by Newt Gingrich in 1994, was a strong document and agenda and it led in large part to the Republican revolution of that year. The anti-liberal backlash of those days made Newt speaker of the House. The agenda was successful, but the man ended up a failure. He was ripped over ethics, and he was turned on by his own as he treated Republicans in the House in a domineering and condescending fashion.

I witnessed a small piece of this personally while walking through the corridors of the Capitol after a State of the Union address one year. To the oohs and aahs of the crowds, Speaker Gingrich hustled through. He was the focus of a crowd of hangers on, lackeys and other ne'er do wells, all attending to him like he was a queen bee. He just swaggered past us, imperious, the chips on his shoulders making it almost impossible for him to walk.

But you don't dump a guy for a passing impression.

You dump Newt Gingrich for the way he treated the members of Congress he supervised and for the hypocrisy he demonstrated as speaker of the House. Newt Gingrich was vicious to his most loyal lieutenants, and dealt with subordinates in an unfair and capricious fashion. I personally knew an exceptional member of Congress, a true Boy Scout, who Gingrich destroyed as a pure act of spite. It was just plain mean.

And that's who he is.

I also was around when Bill Clinton was getting the heat for his relationship with Harmonica Lewinsky, a true national scandal. Not to dredge through yesterday's ugliness, but there were two aspects of that case: The relationship itself, and the subsequent lying under oath. Some felt comfortable commenting on one, but not the other, or vice versa. Newt Gingrich focused on the affair. He repeatedly and resoundingly denounced the married Clinton for having sexual contact with Lewinsky, who -- as an intern -- was a subordinate. Gingrich repeatedly pointed out how wrong that was.

Which is fine.

What wasn't fine was the subsequent revelation that at exactly the same time, Newt Gingrich was himself having a long-running extra-marital affair with a subordinate government employee. He was sleeping with the help -- all the way -- and did so for an extended period of time, at the same time he was ripping Clinton for a marginally less-significant transgression.

That's incredible. He could have shut his mouth, he could have focused on the lie, he could have done any number of things. But what he chose to do is to condemn a guy who was doing the same thing he was. Amazing.

That is Newt Gingrich.

Yes, he is a genius. Yes, it is fun listening to him in the debates. He has a great mind and often speaks powerfully for conservative issues. He is, in some ways, an appealing candidate.

But he is a bad man. And Republicans would be wise to remember that.

Because if they don't, general election voters will.


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To: montyspython

Not my problem. America is done.


121 posted on 12/16/2011 9:27:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cripplecreek

Not trying to back you into corner, was just curious. I get cynical when the drooling starts, regardless of which barrel scraper pops the poll numbers.


122 posted on 12/16/2011 9:31:01 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: Utmost Certainty
The problem with this analysis, is that the anti-Romney forces are too scattered to prevent a Romney nomination (and by implication, an Obama reelection). Gingrich is the last man standing who could prevent that—Bachmann, Santorum, and Perry are utter nonstarters now for the reasons I pointed out in brief. I know you dislike Gingrich, considering your post history, but you should probably consider whether you dislike Romney more.

From what I witnessed four years ago, I can say with absolute certainty that Romney will not win California. He won't win New York or Pennsylvania. He won't win West Virginia, Kentucky, Kansas, or Oklahoma. He won't win a single Southern state. He definitely won't win Missouri. And there is a good chance he would lose Utah as well. Knowing that, how do you reckon he is going to win the nomination? Need I remind you that Gingrich was a non-starter only a few months ago. And by the time the first primary results start coming in, he will already be on the downward slope.

Like I said, Mitt is not going to be the candidate. He cannot overcome his high negative percentage. And on that same note, neither can Newt Gingrich. There is no point in ceding the race to Newt Gingrich a month before the first primary vote is cast. When Rick Perry pulls off the upset in Iowa, will you still be saying that McNewt is the anointed one?

123 posted on 12/16/2011 9:33:18 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: not2worry
".. he is not in the real world as far as Foreign Policy."

Yea, I guess you're right. We should just continue with our existing foreign policy, of being the whipping boy country of the the United Nations, the guardians of any turd-world country that is the least bit islamic or communistic, the protectors of first-world countries that could easily afford their own defense if they weren't spending all their money on socialist programs.

We should continue building military bases in countries that get pissed off when we do.

We should definitely keep on borrowing and sending billions of dollars to tin-horn dictators in the vain hope that they will "like us".

We should keep working toward a one-world government, because heck, we're no different, really, than any other country.

Yup, just as long as the world continues to honor us and promises not to send planes into our buildings, I see nothing wrong with maintaining our current foreign policy.

Please pass the word on to our fallen soldiers who have been attacked in those islamic hell-holes where they were stationed, because I can't think of any way to communicate with the dead.

Oh, and while you're at it, pass the word on to any ol' RINO globalist that we desperately want to continue with our current foreign policy that has "served us so well" since 1947.

125 posted on 12/16/2011 9:46:33 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: kabar
What kind of vile, vulgar, gutter language is that to describe a US Congresswoman and mother of five who just happens to be the most conservative candidate in the race? Have you no sense of shame?

Usually the word means something like "a foolish person." I didn't know we were supposed to be more 'respectful' to someone on account of them being a congressperson. Sorry that I've sullied our royalty's name. Such a bad serf am I.

What falsehoods and mischaracterizations are you referring to?

Her demagoguing that Newt is "pro-infanticide" comes to mind, when that has never been the case at all.
126 posted on 12/16/2011 9:47:58 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: sodpoodle

Glen Beck’s argument against Newt is that he admired Teddy Roosevelt and FDR.

Gingrich is a historian! Of course he is going to admire two men who were significant figures in the history of this country. Gingrich probably admires Hitler for what he did to reverse a broken country into a powerhouse that nearly dominated the globe (not for his atrocities and dictatorial leadership).

You can admire people without wanting to emulate them!

Beck is being intellectually dishonest on this point.


127 posted on 12/16/2011 9:48:53 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: kabar

Wow, you have to relax a little.


128 posted on 12/16/2011 9:56:26 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: Erik Latranyi

Precisely. Newt is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Had he criticized FDR for his excesses - he would be called ‘traitorous’.

One can only hope that the viewing masses make the distinction - reconcile their attraction to some of the ‘reality’ shows i.e. INK, Sister Wives, Kardashians, Dirty Jobs and realize that while they find these people interesting and some even admirable - they wouldn’t necessarily emulate them.

We can only hope, we can only hope.
We can also pray;)


129 posted on 12/16/2011 9:57:53 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich - flying solo - without congressional baggage!!!)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Usually the word means something like "a foolish person." I didn't know we were supposed to be more 'respectful' to someone on account of them being a congressperson. Sorry that I've sullied our royalty's name. Such a bad serf am I.

Are you that stupid that you don't know the meaning of the word? Why don't you google it and find out what it really means. Hint: It refers to a part of a woman's anatomy and it is used in a very vile, vulgar sense. This conversation is over.

130 posted on 12/16/2011 9:58:35 AM PST by kabar
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To: montyspython

Please enjoy our forum, but also please remember to use common courtesy when posting and refrain from posting personal attacks, profanity, vulgarity, threats, racial or religious bigotry, or any other materials offensive or otherwise inappropriate for a conservative family audience.


131 posted on 12/16/2011 10:01:43 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

132 posted on 12/16/2011 10:05:55 AM PST by montyspython ((Romney-Perry-Obama ... No Way))
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To: shortstop

We certainly could, but the media destroyed Herman Cain...


133 posted on 12/16/2011 10:16:01 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: indylindy; Gilbo_3
RE :”Just saw that tagline. The truth in a few short words. LOL

Another version I may try:

Support the lesser of two RINOs or the puppy gets it!

In 2008 Southpark did an episode on this problem of terrible election choices, it strikes home for sure.

134 posted on 12/16/2011 10:27:16 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: iceskater

“I was commenting on a facebook thread last night.
I think people are backing Newt because he’s putting the lamestream media in their place and they hope he will do the same thing in the debates. We want someone on our side to forcefully call out Obama. And because Newt is calling out the media, there is this hope that he’ll do the same to Obama.”

There is no denying that Newt has the ability to communicate. We called Reagan the “Great Communicator” because of his ability to take the fight to the American People. I think people are excited when they see a candidate as fed up about Washington and the puppet media outlets as they are.

Most of us acknowledge the fact that this is a weak field. My theory is that a lot of republican voters are seeing this and loosening their standards in hopes of at least beating Obama... regardless of the candidate’s level of conservatism.

Just a theory :)
BTW I really wish Cain was still in. He might have gotten a second look...


135 posted on 12/16/2011 10:30:17 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: Hoodat
From what I witnessed four years ago, I can say with absolute certainty that Romney will not win California. He won't win New York or Pennsylvania. He won't win West Virginia, Kentucky, Kansas, or Oklahoma. He won't win a single Southern state. He definitely won't win Missouri. And there is a good chance he would lose Utah as well. Knowing that, how do you reckon he is going to win the nomination?

Odds are, primaries will be pretty much over by February once bandwagon effect kicks in and voters start to coalesce around whoever won the 1st few contessts. If Romney cinches IA and NH by an appreciable margin, it's likely game over. So the time to be rallying around an alternative is NOW, not later. There isn't much time.

Need I remind you that Gingrich was a non-starter only a few months ago.

I realize that, but he's the best anti-Romney opportunity available at this present time given the present conditions. It's incredibly unlikely the others are going to experience a spontaneous reversal of fortunes within the next 6 weeks. Try to be realistic about this.
136 posted on 12/16/2011 11:18:09 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: traderrob6

and someone tell me who in the world is a GOOD man anyways?
Who hasn’t made any mistakes?

Yeah there are over 300 million Americans but when you look for the following things, the list of acceptable people dwindles down significantly:

1. A desire to be president
2. Ability to withstand having your personal information displayed for all the world to see.
3. Financial ability to run
4. Competent campaign staff
5. Charisma
6. Boldness
7. Conservatism
8. Ability to communicate #7 with #6 and #5 :)


137 posted on 12/16/2011 11:19:47 AM PST by libdestroyer
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To: LibLieSlayer
newt is destroying his own chances...

paul crewe didnt have anything on the point shaving abilities of noot...

138 posted on 12/16/2011 11:24:32 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: shortstop
I read what this guy Lonsberry wrote. I am supposed to think Newt is a bad, mean guy and this Lonsberry dude is not!! I wonder if Lonsberry is a Ron Paul pot-head whose most important election issue is legalized marijuana so the price will come down.
139 posted on 12/16/2011 11:46:17 AM PST by Cindy of Nashville (What has the Democrat party become???)
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To: libdestroyer

Cain was my guy. I even sent him money - something I had never done before for a presidential candidate.

I am sickened that he was taken out. I am not completely sure who took him out - Obama or our own establishment hacks.


140 posted on 12/16/2011 11:47:20 AM PST by iceskater (I am a Carnivore Conservative - No peas for me. (h/t N.Theknow))
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