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To: PieterCasparzen

I did not hear Gingrich say he would be bringing people over here from Arab countries to immigrate. He said bring them here to our universities so they can then go back home and spread word of Western society from a first-hand perspective.

He describes Westernizing their society through broadcast information, translating our books into Arabic, and paying particular attention to the liberation of women in Muslin countries. This is not nation-building. This is spreading information about the West to those who have little exposure to it now.

We are going to have to reform and modernize the Muslim culture or we’re going to have to go back to war - perhaps both.

Can you give me an example of another candidate who has a better plan?


8 posted on 12/12/2011 10:06:12 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: BigBobber
He said bring them here to our universities so they can then go back home and spread word of Western society from a first-hand perspective.

Here's a nice life story which shows how that works out:

His father was a Fulbright scholar. His father earned a master's degree in agricultural economics at New Mexico State University in 1971, received a doctorate at the University of Nebraska, and worked at the University of Minnesota from 1975 to 1977. He was Agriculture Minister and as President of a University in his nation of birth.

The "student" was born in 1971 in the United States. In 1978, when he was seven years old, he and his family returned to his father's nation of birth. He then lived in that country for 11 years and studied at a "modern" school.

He returned to the U.S state of Colorado in 1991 to attend college. He earned a B.S. in Civil Engineering from Colorado State University (1994), where he was President of the Muslim Student Association.

The boy's islamic education consisted of a few intermittent months with various scholars, and reading and contemplating works by several prominent Islamic scholars. Muslim scholars said they did not understand his popularity, because while he spoke fluent English and could therefore reach a large non-Arabic-speaking audience, he lacked formal Islamic training and study.

Sounds like a plan !

This guy gives it a big thumbs up !



And who is our hypothetical fine young muslim that Newt Gingrich's plan would be expected to produce ??????

This wonderful fellow !



Which requires our armed forces to expend blood and treasure and finally results in this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fbvmStl3HQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL237CF0D342F37B35)

Can you give me an example of another candidate who has a better plan?

So far, I prefer what I've heard from Michele Bachmann - not much other than what's on her website:

"As Commander-in-Chief, I will do whatever it takes to fulfill the federal government’s foremost responsibility under the Constitution: to keep you safe in an increasingly dangerous world. I will uphold America’s values by standing shoulder-to shoulder with those who share those values and our interests and standing tall against those who don’t. I will devote the resources necessary to maintain our fighting forces as second-to-none, while being judicious in the use of our power. I will ensure our borders are fully secured. And I will not rest until the war on terror is won."

It's ludicrous to announce specifics about what one "will do" in office in terms of "fixing" a current problem in the mideast. The less an enemy knows of our strategy and tactics, the better. IMHO, it's enough said; no makey nice-nice trying to sooth a rabid dog. The leaders of these nations have called for our destruction - that's enough to know to just wait until the give us an excuse to destroy them. That attitude alone will be the most productive. It is very dangerous to get involved in conversations and interactions with them, we must be vigilant at all times and leave every option open and unspoken.

IMHO.
13 posted on 12/12/2011 10:57:33 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: BigBobber

Well, it doesn’t seem like that plan has worked since Western countries are not willing to confront Islam. Personally, I think the West should re-colonize the Islamic Barbarians and forcibly convert them - pretty much what Ann Coulter said after 9-11. Now, since we don’t want to continue having wars I would say seize the oil fields, break up OPEC and they can live as Barbarians in tents in the desert.


15 posted on 12/13/2011 12:21:28 AM PST by JMS
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To: BigBobber

The trouble is, they come here and learn nuclear physics from us and then go back and use their knowledge to kill us.


20 posted on 12/13/2011 2:03:04 AM PST by Inkie
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