[SoJoCo]

Wouldn't that be true of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon as well? Yes and all of these Arab states were created out of the Ottoman Empire, along with the area known as the Palestinian Mandate being set aside as a Jewish homeland.

Then does that mean that there is no such thing as a Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, Saudi, or Iraqi?

[Yulee]

In the Muslim mind, yes. They want a new Caliph ruled by the Mahdi. They do not want these nations to exist as separate entities..;

The only entity that could be called a Palestinian state (created so far) is Trans-Jordan, which changed its name to Jordan after occupying what is now known as the West Bank..;

So yes there is a two state solution. Jordan is the Arab Palestinian state, and Israel is the Jewish state. The borders have not been finalized, because of the belief of Muslim states that nothing but a Muslim state can be established in the Middle East. What ever was Muslim must remain Muslim, and what ever else exists must be conquered and become Muslim..;

Turkey lost WWI and had to give up her empire. I know personally a gentleman who is 101 years old and was a witness to all of this. He remembers when the British Empire was at its peak, prior to WWI. The others Arab countries were created by Britain just as Saudi Arabia was created after WWI. Remember that all countries have created themselves and their borders as the result of wars..;

Sometimes (even during the 20th century)new countries arise, with new borders. Just look at the continent of Africa, and the former Soviet Union..;

Usually there is a common language and common customs that define a nation..;

Strange that there are Muslim states, Arab states (57 of them), but no where in the Muslim mindset should there ever be a Jewish state, where Jewsih people can gather with their own government, The fact that the world won't face is that in the Muslim. mindset there is the world of peace (Islam) and the world of war (all land not conquered and occupied by Islam). They constantly tell the world this through their spokesmen, but the leftist media and socialist governments ignore their statements and treat them as inconsequential..;

The Japanese, who worshiped the Emperor as a god went out to conquer, were driven back and now occupy their home islands. The French went out to conquer the world and were driven back to their home country. The British went out to conquer the world and now occupy only a fraction of what was included in their empire. The Germans tried to establish the Third Reich, but then were occupied and only recently re-united..;

The Muslim who worship allah (the ancient moon god)went out to conquer the world and were stopped, but only temporarily per their belief. they look forward and demand that the world bow to their god and give up any idea of self governance or freedom. Islam means submission, and they demand that the world submit.

[rmlew]

The division between "Palestinian" and Jordanian is entirely fictitious. Until the 1920's, Palestinians and Jordanians thought of themselves as "Sham", that is to say part of Greater Syria. It was only when the French and British divided up the area, that the Palestinian Arab identity was created as opposition to Jewish settlement. And even then, until the 1970s, there was no real difference between Palestinians and Jordanians. Remember that in the late 1970s, the PLO tried to take over Jordan on the grounds that everyone there except for the Hashemites and other Hijaz migrants from the 1920s were Palestinian.

In so far as there is a sovereign Palestinian state in Jordan, the issue is not whether there should be A Palestinian state, but whether there should be 1, 2, or 3 and what the borders should be. It also creates a new perspective. There are plenty of landless peoples, the Palestinians are not one of these.