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To: BenKenobi; Popman
While I appreciate your concerns re erosion of rights, I fail to see how pumping out unplanned/unwanted babies is either a right OR necessary to an orderly society. We place conditions of behavior on MANY aspects of existence in civilized society.

I am not promoting “forced sterilization”. HOWEVER, forced birth control as a condition to receive public assistance funding is another matter. One certifies that they are supposedly looking for a job in order to collect unemployment, must pass tests in order to engage in a variety of income producing activities or drive a car.

And, even forced permanent birth control isn't off the table, in my opinion. I recently saw an article, tracing the offspring of one well know criminal from a couple of generations ago. The amount of damage and mayhem those offspring have wrought upon the rest of us is staggering.

The hypocrisy of Liberalism is evident here as in most issues.

It is conventional wisdom that "gayness" is a genetic condition and the gay person is immune to changing. Yet, it is NOT acceptable that pedophiles are similarly wired genetically, criminals are not genetically programmed and liberals are mentally challenged, all due to genetic issues which are unchangeable and permanent. Without some sort of control, we have the mongrel pot we have today: >multiple generations of lazy welfare dependent families >ever increasing perpetrators of pedophilia and all its variations >serial killers galore >power crazed liberal politicians The age old dichotomy of what powers and how much do we grant the government,how do we control it once granted and perhaps most important, how do we select the governors with the best intentions and commitment to preserving as much liberty as possible may never be solved, but I submit there are far greater wrongs that have been perpetrated by government upon more people than this one single issue. And BTW, why have we allowed a single issue like the right to indiscriminate and often multiple abortions to become a litmus test for political office when there are SO many MUCH more important issues to deal with????? The fanatical supporters of THIS particular "right" are basically saying to the rest of us that: "Unemployment, the American economy and National Security are ALL less important than MY personal right to copulate at will. And I could care less that innocent lives are being snuffed out as a result of MY needs."

53 posted on 12/11/2011 8:50:35 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: CanuckYank

“While I appreciate your concerns re erosion of rights, I fail to see how pumping out unplanned/unwanted babies”

I fail to see why we should make a distinction between babies whom are wanted and babies whom are unwanted. The child does not choose the situation her or she is born into. It is the obligation of parents to care for their children, and failing that, the object of a civilized society is to care for the children, who through no fault of their own find themselves in difficult circumstances.

This is how it used to work, before welfare came around. YOu could put your children up for adoption if you were unable to take care of them, and the children would be well kept and looked after.

“forced birth control as a condition to receive public assistance funding is another matter”

Would it not simply be better to abolish welfare altogether and rely upon private good will and charity to accomplish the same ends rather than trampling on the individual rights and freedoms of every man and woman? This seems to me the better option.

“One certifies that they are supposedly looking for a job in order to collect unemployment, must pass tests in order to engage in a variety of income producing activities or drive a car.”

Or perhaps, rather than forcing the people to fund programs that are not working, we should abolish the programs and let the people assist one another. Things would change, it would be difficult for the first while, but after that things would improve.

Of course, you’d also have to do away with other such nonsense like minimum wage laws, etc, and the whole architecture which is designed to fail and prevent people from working and earning a living. Is it better to keep a man fully employed at his work for less, or only employed for the hours in which you can afford to hire him? How is a man worse off for having more work and better pay and being encouraged to work harder in order to earn more?

“I recently saw an article, tracing the offspring of one well know criminal from a couple of generations ago.”

You might want to talk to Galton. He’s rather prominent in this research. Take a look at him, and we see where this philosophy ends up.

“The hypocrisy of Liberalism is evident here as in most issues.”

Which is why we get rid of the trappngs of liberalism, rather than going in even deeper. We are already steep’d in blood, but we must walk out th’other way.

“It is conventional wisdom that “gayness” is a genetic condition and the gay person is immune to changing.”

Yet it is also wrong. Gay people can change their habits as can anyone else who is consumed by addiction, given enough of an effort.


54 posted on 12/11/2011 3:42:57 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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