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To: wagglebee

This is why we will lose this debate—badly. In the end, the issues that normal people have with homosexuals and their behavior are moral objections b/c they violate God’s Law. If someone doesn’t care about God or the Bible, then that person wins by default. I have been in several debates about this recently, and I know of what I speak. I believe there are a large number of people like that, including many that even claim to be Christian.


42 posted on 12/10/2011 1:50:10 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Future Snake Eater

“This is why we will lose this debate—badly. In the end, the issues that normal people have with homosexuals and their behavior are moral objections b/c they violate God’s Law. If someone doesn’t care about God or the Bible, then that person wins by default.”

Not at the Final Judgment they don’t.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020:15&version=KJV

“I have been in several debates about this recently, and I know of what I speak. I believe there are a large number of people like that, including many that even claim to be Christian.”

Those who claim to be Christian should read the following verses:

Romans 1:24-27

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%201:24-27&version=NKJV

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%206:9-10&version=AMP

1 Timothy 1:9-10

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10&version=ESVUK

And for those who try to play the “Jesus never said anything about homosexuality” trick, He defined marriage as consisting of a male and a female in Matthew 19:4-6

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019:4-6&version=ESVUK

And the word fornications He used in Mark 7:21

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%207:21&version=NKJV

and Matthew 15:19

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:19&version=NKJV

is translated from the Greek word porneia which means among other things, illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.


43 posted on 12/10/2011 2:25:08 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Future Snake Eater

Don’t forget that the homo agenda has been force fed on us for about thirty years through our television screens as well as the schools and publishing industry. The liberal views dominate in these industries and they are so smug and sure of their superiority. Unfortunately, they have the microphone and we do not.

For thirty years we have been subjected to these falsehoods:
*homsexuality is normal, people are just born that way
*science proves through some widely promoted studies that homosexuality is biological
*if homosexuals are that way naturally then it is discrimination to oppose their behavior
*homosexuals are just nice people who mean no harm
*the homosexual agenda will not harm us in any way and will not interfere with marriage
*they are not trying to indoctrinate our children

Repeat these lies over and over and work these messages into many kinds of entertainment programming and you have the widespread confusion that we see today. They are trying to ensnare our kids because they reach out to entertainment that kids like and they are even showing kids in homosexual scenes on programs like Degrassi High.

Of course they will say that showing two boys kissing is not ensnaring kids to try such acts but only making those poor kids who were *born that way* more comfortable with their natural inclination.

We have to challenge the central lie of the homosexual movement that they are *born that way*. Before the all-out attack by the homosexuals, there was lots of scientific enquiry into homosexuality and there was lots of evidence that it came from family problems.

It seems that many people who have family members who are homosexual feel that they have to defend homosexuality as something natural. As many prominent people have been shown to have homosexual family members, they have been used to move public opinion towards what the homosexuals want which is total acceptance of their lifestyle. I think we should keep in mind that many families also have drug addicts or mentally ill people in the family but that is not used to promote drug addiction or mental illness as a normal state.


45 posted on 12/10/2011 4:01:18 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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