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To: bluecat6

Regardless of what the philosophical discussion were of the day.

Title 18 Section 1401 gives legal meaning to the Constitution’s words. It clarifies what the Congress considers natural born. You can try to claim the law violates the Constitution but the courts have repeatedly skirted the issue and have allowed the law to stand.

Unless you get that law overturned, all arguments to the contrary are moot points.

I believe Zero was not born here, and if he was, his mother had spent too much time overseas and not enough time here to qualify to give birth to a US citizen. I am foggy on this law but I believe she had been out of the country for 5 years, and as a 19 year old, needed to be here at least 1 full year before any offspring could be given a US birth certificate.

That is an argument you might just win.

I also believe he has applied for student program, grants, admissions, etc., as a foreign person and has used multiple social security numbers, which gives me cause for believing he does not even have a birth certificate to show.


70 posted on 12/10/2011 1:50:26 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad; Beckwith
I believe Zero was not born here, and if he was, his mother had spent too much time overseas and not enough time here to qualify to give birth to a US citizen. I am foggy on this law but I believe she had been out of the country for 5 years, and as a 19 year old, needed to be here at least 1 full year before any offspring could be given a US birth certificate.

Just throwing this out there:

Ever wonder why the new BO "coffee mug" has "Made in the USA" on it and NOT "BORN in the USA"?

:)

71 posted on 12/10/2011 1:54:59 PM PST by thecodont
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To: CodeToad

Title 18 (sio) Section 1401 gives legal meaning to the Constitution’s words. It clarifies what the Congress considers natural born. You can try to claim the law violates the Constitution but the courts have repeatedly skirted the issue and have allowed the law to stand.

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I believe it is Title 8 (vs. 18).

According this Cornell listing it says nothing about natural born.

It does say ‘at birth’ but citizen at birth and natural born Citizen are not the same thing.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

But apparently inserting ‘natural born’ anywhere for ‘at birth’ is common.

As in here:

http://www.worldandi.com/subscribers/feature_detail.asp?num=26823

The original immigration act gave is insight as to the exact meaning and intent of the founders.

I have no idea as to the facts and do not pretend to at this point. The only thing for certain is the that the story as portrayed is not reality. Beyond that anything and most things are possible.


77 posted on 12/10/2011 7:36:34 PM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: CodeToad
Title 18 Section 1401 gives legal meaning to the Constitution’s words. It clarifies what the Congress considers natural born.

People given citizenship by statute are naturalized. The children mentioned in Title 8 Section 1401 are naturalized at birth. The law makes no mention of "natural born" anything. If a law could make someone a natural born Citizen, then congress could pass a law declaring the Governator to be a nbC, and our next Pres could be Arnie.

I believe Zero was not born here, and if he was, his mother had spent too much time overseas and not enough time here to qualify to give birth to a US citizen. I am foggy on this law but I believe she had been out of the country for 5 years, and as a 19 year old, needed to be here at least 1 full year before any offspring could be given a US birth certificate.

At the time he was born, SAD had spent very little, if any, time outside the U.S. The law you are referring to said something like the parent must have spent so many years in the U.S., five of which must have been after the fourteenth birthday (i.e. at least 19 years old). SAD was allegedly 18 at the time. However, that law only applied to a birth on foreign soil. So if he was born in Hawai'i, then he would be a citizen. But if he was born in Canada, Kenya, or Antarctica, he would not have been a citizen at all.

80 posted on 12/10/2011 10:35:50 PM PST by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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