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Russia refuses to sell arresters for Chinese aircraft carrier
Rusnavy.com ^ | 25 November 2011

Posted on 12/04/2011 8:14:31 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Russia refuses to sell arresters for Chinese aircraft carrier

Construction of the first Chinese aircraft carrier faced new unanticipated problems; it turned out that the former Soviet carrier Varyag was not equipped with arresters, and it is unclear where China could get them. In 2007 news agency Kanwa exclusively reported from St. Petersburg that China would buy 4 arresters designed by Marine Engineering Research Institute and made by Proletarsky Zavod plant which produces all Russian arresters and arresting hooks. Earlier on, China had contacts with this plant purchasing constituent parts for Project 956E/EM destroyers.

Kanwa reported referring to a source in the plant that the Chinese had visited it many times and declared intentions to purchase at least 4 arresters (the source used the term "purchase"). The talks took place in the office of Rosoboronexport; negotiators of Proletarsky Zavod presented their production, and the Chinese requested for technical information.

In 2011 the authoritative source told to Kanwa reporter that the negotiations were facing unexpected problems – Russian defense industry's authorities had decided not to sell arresters for China.

According to the source, China managed to get arresting hooks from Ukraine instead of buying them directly from Marine Engineering Research Institute and Proletarsky Zavod plant; those arresters were suitable for operational training aircraft JL-9 and "copied" J-15.

What made Russia refuse to sell arresters to China in the very nick of time? Kanwa repeatedly asked Russian defense and foreign ministries about China's purchase of Russian aircraft carrier construction technology. Official reply was the same: "it is prohibited to export strategic armament systems to China. Aircraft carriers, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear weapons production technologies – all that are strategic arms".

However, Kanwa inquired into the subject and it became apparent that real cause of the problem is not only "the ban on strategic arms exports to China" but Russia's discontent with China copying deck-based fighter Su-33. Take note, Marine Engineering Research Institute delivered two arresters for Indian aircraft carrier IAC and modernized Admiral Gorshkov. The institute also took part in construction of naval aviation training center built on Goa, India.

In 2007 the source told to Kanwa that designing and production of arresters was quite complicated process and only Russia and the US had appropriate technology at the moment. "In the past, there used to be four arresters on an aircraft carrier, but the new Indian carrier is equipped with only three arresters, which indicates of high reliability of Russian systems".

Ex- Varyag during refit in Dalian

Representative of Rosoboronexport A. Plotnikov recently told to Kanwa that "China really wanted to buy arresters but we did not sell them". This confirms the assumption that China has not Russian arresters in inventory. In 2006 director of Marine Engineering Research Institute and Proletarsky Zavod plant told to Kanwa reporter that China was about to purchase four arresters and the parties had held several rounds of negotiations. However, in 2011 he said that "we've received an unexpected instruction from Moscow to cut off all contacts with Chinese partners. In other words, we cannot deliver arresters to China as well as other equipment for their aircraft carrier".

Russian foreign ministry stated later on that "strategic armaments and technologies will not be sold to China".

All abovementioned facts illustrate why arresters have not been delivered to Yanliang air training center by Aug 2010 and why they were not mounted on ex-Varyag carrier by the time of her first sortie. As for Kanwa, construction of Chinese aircraft carrier may face considerable problems.

According to A. Plotnikov, there are some old arresters remained in Ukraine, and China could purchase them. However, even if China really buys them such arresters might be used only as presentation samples. Ukrainian air training center NITKA is not equipped with large number of arresters.

Moreover, after buying of Ukrainian arresters and studying their design China would need some time to develop own analogs.

From: Rusnavy


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: arresterwire; china; navair; russia; varyag
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Aerial shot of the Varyag during recent trials

1 posted on 12/04/2011 8:14:38 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Don’t worry, Barry will sell them.


2 posted on 12/04/2011 8:18:58 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Ha...they done 3 sea trials and just figured out they need arresting wires....

...splash one squadron .....

3 posted on 12/04/2011 8:21:55 PM PST by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

For the uninitiated... arresters are... what? The hooks used to slow landing aircraft on the flight deck?


4 posted on 12/04/2011 8:22:25 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Yes. A jet keeps power up on landing in case they have to go round again so an arrestor snags the plane to stop it.


5 posted on 12/04/2011 8:33:37 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: rarestia
I think they are talking about the arresting gear engines. When you see a plane land on a carrier and it catches a wire you are seeing just the visible portion of the arresting gear. Below deck that cross deck pendant is attached to big set of pulleys and a hydraulic ram to absorb the kinetic energy of the jet landing.

I would describe the engine in more detail, but who knows what the Russian came up with, instead.

6 posted on 12/04/2011 8:38:28 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: rarestia
I think they are talking about the arresting gear engines. When you see a plane land on a carrier and it catches a wire you are seeing just the visible portion of the arresting gear. Below deck that cross deck pendant is attached to big set of pulleys and a hydraulic ram to absorb the kinetic energy of the jet landing.

I would describe the engine in more detail, but who knows what the Russian came up with, instead.

7 posted on 12/04/2011 8:39:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just like in days of old, especially with Czar Pootie, aside from both militarily engaging mainly civialians they remain most likely to shoot at each other long before we or anyone else needs to worry with either.

Other than being down-wind for any fallout, I would dig watching em go after one another.


8 posted on 12/04/2011 8:42:18 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: Jeff Head

FYI


9 posted on 12/04/2011 8:45:29 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"In the past, there used to be four arresters on an aircraft carrier, but the new Indian carrier is equipped with only three arresters, which indicates of high reliability of Russian systems".

bullsh!t... only one wire is snagged at a time so the reliability is a non-issue

four wires gives the pilot one more chance of snagging a wire on any given pass where three gives him one less chance

and the one wire is NOT the preferred wire anyway

10 posted on 12/04/2011 8:56:41 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: USNBandit

Are you anywhere near NAS Whidbey Island?


11 posted on 12/04/2011 9:04:44 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Here's a higher res shot of that same pic...clearly the arrestor lines are not on the carrier yet...on her second trials. She does not have the J-15 aircraft ready yet (two prototypes and two now painted in official PLAN colors is all they have) in any case.

They will be checking out the vessel and its systems this time around...and perhaps making a few helo landings.


Click image for higher res)


CHINESE AIRCRAFT CARRIER

12 posted on 12/04/2011 9:05:28 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Chode

Exactly. BZ.


13 posted on 12/04/2011 9:06:51 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: sukhoi-30mki
As a public service to the Chinese I'll give them the technology from America's first carrier.

If this doesn't work they can pound sand.

14 posted on 12/04/2011 9:09:30 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Thanks. See my post # 12.


15 posted on 12/04/2011 9:10:06 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Don’t worry, Barry will sell them.”

You are being too harsh. Barry will give them to China as a sign of his admiration.


16 posted on 12/04/2011 9:12:00 PM PST by Avid Coug
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To: Avid Coug

Or to pay off a couple billions in debt?


17 posted on 12/04/2011 9:17:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was figuring Barry would sell them the VTOL F-35 version.


18 posted on 12/04/2011 9:20:14 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s exactly what I was thinking...lol.


19 posted on 12/04/2011 9:20:53 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Let the Chinese figure it out for themselves—Looks like the jets can take off but not land now—unless they use helos. It going to take them a while to figure this out—but they will.


20 posted on 12/04/2011 9:30:55 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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