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YOU SAID: OK. In the case of Mormonism, the Book - Doctrines and Covenants, one of their prophets says that Jesus Christ only died for the sins of Adam, for everybody else he only shows the “way of salvation”. That is, that Christ did not die for anyone else.

Nope, that’s not true. Although to be fair, when challenged a quote was provided, but it was not from the Doctrine and Covenants.
I SAY*****Quotes provided from your leaders but they don’t Ok then.

YOU SAID: JS was escaping from jail, after guns were smuggled into him and he killed two people before escaping and then was shot because he refused to stop.
I SAY:**********Historical events says this is true.

YOU SAID:the RITUAL [baptism for the dead] that MORMONs perform in their Temples? I can NOT find that requirement in ANY of the MORMON scriptures.

I SAY: ********Absolutely true, so why do practice mormons baptism for the dead. Oh, yea that’s right you have said to ignore your leaders.

YOU SAID: There is no offering plate, at tax time you bring your 1040’s to the bishop, he calculates 10% of your income and you pay up. . .
I SAY:*******Demonstrated dozens and dozens of times to be true. You are fortunate that it’s never been required of you.

YOU SAID: There is no redemption for sin in the Mormon church, Christ serves as an example of a perfect man, not a divine deliverer.
I SAY: ******If you as lds have to work for your salvation there is then no redemptive gift from jesus. He is not sufficient.
Your articles of faith say and D&C say “after all we can do” which means in any words the lds god’s grace is not sufficient IE no redemption (unless all the rules are followed and you are a temple mormons)

YOU SAID: And countless others. Didn’t bother looking for the “Mormons don’t sing Christmas hymns” or “Mormons don’t sing Easter hymns.” And these are just the straight up false statements.

I SAY:*******Would those hymns be the “praise to the man” (Joseph Smith) And those little scenes of Smith’s birth but no Nativity. And whats an Easter hymn? My uncle sings with the MT Choir, a baritone. at Christmas time there is a fantastic public showing of traditional Christmas music but he will tell they don’t sing them in ward.
Which is pretty telling after all, a public front and practiced front....the twain are not the same.

I am running out of time, so I will start with the bottom and work my way up as time permits.

Regarding Christmas and Easter hymns [you] SAY:*******Would those hymns be the “praise to the man” (Joseph Smith) And those little scenes of Smith’s birth but no Nativity. And whats an Easter hymn? My uncle sings with the MT Choir, a baritone. at Christmas time there is a fantastic public showing of traditional Christmas music but he will tell they don’t sing them in ward. Which is pretty telling after all, a public front and practiced front....the twain are not the same.

I have to admit that I have been in wards where the singing of Christmas hymns are sparse, but even in the worst they sing something Christmasy on the Sundays around Christmas.

I must live in one of the apostate wards, because we starting singing Christmas hymns in Sacrament meeting last Sunday. Today in Sacrament meeting we sung "Far, Far Away on Judea's Plains" and "The First Noel." In Primary (the Sunday School for kids under 12) we sung "Silent Night" and "Joy to the World." And Rudolph, alas.

And I just checked on next week, and in Sacrament meeting we are singing "Oh, Come, All Ye Faithful" and "With Wondering Awe." Nope, don't see Praise to the Man anywhere in December. But each ward is different, so your mileage may vary.

I've seen that photo of J Smith's birthplace/nativity thing. Cracks me up. Those Utah Mormons are pretty crazy at times. But as far as I know, that single occurrence is the one and only. It is certainly not common.

As for what an Easter Hymn is, it is a hymn that is sung around Easter. We have a few in our hymnals.

For example:

#200 - Christ the Lord Is Risen Today

1. Christ the Lord is ris’n today,
Alleluia!
Sons of men and angels say,
Alleluia!
Raise your joys and triumphs high,
Alleluia!
Sing, ye heav’ns, and earth reply,
Alleluia!

2. Love’s redeeming work is done,
Alleluia!
Fought the fight, the vict’ry won,
Alleluia!
Jesus’ agony is o’er,
Alleluia!
Darkness veils the earth no more,
Alleluia!

3. Lives again our glorious King,
Alleluia!
Where, O death, is now thy sting?
Alleluia!
Once he died our souls to save,
Alleluia!
Where thy victory, O grave?
Alleluia!

Text: Charles Wesley, 1707–1788

Music: Anon., Lyra Davidica, 1708

#199 - He Is Risen!

1. He is risen! He is risen!
Tell it out with joyful voice.
He has burst his three days’ prison;
Let the whole wide earth rejoice.
Death is conquered; man is free.
Christ has won the victory.

2. Come with high and holy hymning;
Chant our Lord’s triumphant lay.
Not one darksome cloud is dimming
Yonder glorious morning ray,
Breaking o’er the purple east,
Symbol of our Easter feast.

3. He is risen! He is risen!
He hath opened heaven’s gate.
We are free from sin’s dark prison,
Risen to a holier state.
And a brighter Easter beam
On our longing eyes shall stream.

Text: Cecil Frances Alexander, 1818–1895

Music: Joachim Neander, 1650–1680

Plus a couple of home-grown ones.

Or is this just another case of the hatred being so strong that it is impossible to accept anything good from a Mormon?