Posted on 12/03/2011 8:18:19 AM PST by montag813
Herman Cain is expected to make a "major announcement" today, anytime between 11am and 1pm EST in Atlanta. The media is assuming he will quit the race. Politico is positively glowing with anticipation of this. Will he fold, or FIGHT? He is also opening a new Atlanta HQ. Twitter reports that people are jamming in early to show their support.
We simply don't know what will happen, or when it will happen. What are your thoughts? Do you think he should quit? Or do you think Cain should stay in the race and deny the State-Run Media yet another GOP scalp on a platter - for unproven allegations -while they allow a vile rapist like Clinton, or commie cokehead like Obama breeze through unscathed?
HERE IS THE LIVE VIDEO FEED LINK: http://hermancain.com/livestream
How in the world could he be responsible for a collection of broads he ether didn't know or only knew of who are obviously lying. Else why would they have pulled the hit & run tactic of accuse then run for the tall and uncut! Not one bit of substantiation.
Not a great day for Mr. and Mrs. hummingbird...
“Many in the MSM do realize that there is a significant segment of the population who would vote for a ham sandwich over Obama. “
So you listen to Jum Sharpe too? {8^,
It would be like a lovely spring afternoon if Cain did take the Bimbos to court.
Sometimes “discovery” can be a real hoot. Maybe he can have his own Reality show, too.
Like I said. Between this and major U of H loss, the hummingbirds are really bummed today. Cain was my #1 candidate...
Ha. You want a personal conversation there’s freep mail or Starbucks. Until the Admins say otherwise, what you post I have every right to respond to, n00b or no, especially when it reeks of hypocrisy. You make yourself out to be Rodney King now, but you were merciless with Palin, doubtless motivated by your own well-documented personal clash with her policy views in Alaska. And you imposed yourself on many a Palin thread where you were not invited. And you have the nerve to lecture me about intruding on your “personal conversations?!” Respect? After what you did to Palin? I laugh at you, sonny. You think you’ve got some kind of old-timer entitlement just because you’ve been on some cool conservative internet forum since the Clinton years? FR isn’t a union, FRiend, and seniority rules do not apply. I’ve been arguing for conservatism since before Reagan. Shoot, I freakin had to watch Kennedy get killed. I didn’t get on FR because I didn’t know it was there. Respect comes from doing the right thing and doing it consistently. If you were sincere about not being divisive you had great a chance to prove it during the Palin wars, and you didn’t. Sorry if the truth hurts. Nah, I’m not sorry at all.
It’s too bad that he let the media take him out of the race, but at least he’s chosen to stay in the game. I don’t know what to expect from him but I’m hopeful. The only thing on his site is a sign-up form. http://cain-solution.com
I signed up but it still doesn’t say how he plans to stay involved. He still has a relatively strong base of support, so I hope this project is managed well.
Thanks. I checked after I posted. Wrong order, I know.
Ditto, Guenevere. <><
I am open to Perry because of his prolife views, but what would happen to him when he debates Obama?
I said to my daughter while I was watching this live, that “suspend” indicates something temporary and not at all permanent. I’m hoping he’s just taking a few weeks off to let everything play out with his supporters; let the media focus elsewhere and let someone else take the hot seat until maybe the week before Iowa.
I am beginning to think our days as a nation under God’s providence have past...
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The MSM is always supportive of leftists and leftists are happy about that.
So, what about a Tea Party on steroids to pound MSM. Show them for what they are. Expose them again and again.
Then pound them again.
Then pound them again so that they are so totally in the fix that even people who don’t follow politics will see MSM as they are and will vote against any MSM candidate, etc.
You know, tried and true FReepers know that very young conservatives come here along with the rest of us, and we who are not so young, set an example for them. I strongly believe Mr. R. would agree.
You belong at DUh. What a filthy post.
Hey, maybe the lib meda can do this with other candidates. Just have a woman email someone 70 times, at 4:00 a.m.!
Never mind that the Republican candidate did not answer those emails, except for 17 times, and the Republican candidate DID NOT EMAIL THE WOMAN at 4 a.m.. Because what counts is if a woman emails the Republican candidate at 4 a.m. Right?
Isn’t it easy to make someone look bad though?
you mad!
As for your question, basically, allegations of sexual impropriety are not just "thrown out there" without some accompanying evidence. The allegation generally includes specific "facts" such as time, place, other circumstances, etc. In Cain's case, his accuser made specific allegations regarding the length of time, and gifts of money, etc. She also provided phone records to reporters.
The way to disprove the allegations is to show that there exists no factual basis for them. Thus, if I were Cain I would pour through all my financial records to show that I could not have been where the woman alleged I had been. I would also have my lawyers and investigators question the woman and try to nail her down regarding details.
For example, the woman alleged that she attended a fight with Cain - I believe it was a Mike Tyson fight. Cain should be able to show that he was not at that fight. If the woman alleged that they stayed at a certain hotel, he can check his schedule for that time to show he was not there, or if he was, that he stayed someplace else, etc.
This concerns me because even if the woman claims all payments were in cash and there are no records, as an experienced business person who operates on a schedule and who is used to accounting for financial expenses, Cain should be able to show where he was, where he stayed, at any given time. On the question of attending the fight, Cain should be able to disprove that allegation. Why hasn't he?
And not only Ms. White - others have made specific allegations of sexual harassment that took place in specific circumstances - allegations which Cain's investigators could disprove.
It may also be possible for someone to contact a hotel where they stayed and get confirmation regarding specific dates when they stayed there. I don't see any reason why a hotel would refuse to divulge such information directly to the individual who paid for the room. Again, why has Cain not explored all of these possibilities to disprove the allegations and clear his name?
If you ask me what I would have done, knowing I was innocent and had nothing to fear, I would both hire my own investigators and encourage anyone else - including new media - to investigate the matter. I would provide evidence of my whereabouts to prove I could not have been where it was alleged, and that the claim, e.g., that I paid for hotel rooms was false, etc.
That's what I would have done. In any interviews you would have seen me forcefully deny the allegations and promise to provide any and all necessary evidence to back up my innocence.
Instead, what did we see with Cain? We saw and heard someone who was carefully parsing his words, avoiding a direct answer, using language that could be interpreted different ways: e.g., "There was no affair" does not necessarily mean there was no sex - just that it did not have the emotional element of an "affair," etc. When pressed, he sidestepped with claims of how he and his wife were "at peace" with each other... We heard no promises that he would leave no stone unturned until he could present evidence that the allegations could not have taken place.
A long answer to a short question perhaps, but there it is.
Spare me your outrage at the example that I set for our “very young conservatives” that come to FR. I think the example Mr. Cain set (which I pointed out) is much more important. Mr. Cain has proven to our very young conservatives, that when the Left-Wing media do hit pieces against conservatives, they will indeed fold.
Mr. Cain knew what he was getting into when he joined this race. He had strong support even in the thick of these sexual harassment allegations. He took in record donations from his supporters. Instead of focusing on those of us who supported him; he did what all republicans do: HE CAVED TO THE LEFT-WING MEDIA!
Care to tell us how Mr. Cain's actions set the example for our very young conservatives? This cowardice by Cain did nothing but embolden the Leftists in this country. Think this is over? The media have proven that they can destroy all of our candidates.
It's important that young conservatives understand that quiting and caving to the Leftists demands is always a blow to conservatism, and shows nothing but weakness. Next time save your outrage for where it really belongs.
It occurred to me that something very similar to the question you posed had actually happened to me - ergo, the claim that I was homosexual.
In a previous life I was an author on biblical/theological subjects. In one of my books, commissioned by a major U.S. publisher, I dealt with the issue of homosexuality from a Christian perspective. I remember my direct superior at the national pro-family organization where I was employed at the time asking me whether I was afraid that the homosexual activists would attack me, claiming that I was just a closet gay who was "in denial" about his sexuality?
I remember being taken aback when asked this, because it had never been a concern for me. My response: Bring it on! Have at it. Give it your best shot. And you know what? I was not worried in the slightest because I knew there was ZERO evidence that anyone could bring up that would stand the test of critical investigation. I left my superior's office unconcerned, and didn't look back (as it turned out no one tried anything).
The point is, I was completely confident and would have welcomed any investigation because I knew it would clear me. It would NEVER in a million years have occurred to me to resign my position because of the pain & suffering it would cause my wife, or the possible damage to the organization. Why? You don't have to back down when you have truth on your side.
As I have said many times, a man is innocent until proven guilty. That includes Cain. But I must also say - for whatever it's worth - that all my experience and whatever intuition I have picked up through the years - and just looking at the man's countenance - tells me that he has something to hide.
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