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Up in arms: a felon’s right to gun ownership
scpr.org ^ | 17 November, 2011 | Patt Morrison

Posted on 12/01/2011 7:03:19 AM PST by marktwain

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To: yldstrk

I wouldn’t say that every mentally unstable individual should have a gun,

but everyone that cannot be trusted with the means to defend themselves shouldn’t be loose in our society.

In other words, if they can’t be trusted with a gun,
they can’t be trusted amongst those who can.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 8:12:23 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain
...13 percent of whom committed new crimes.

That is far lower than I would have expected, and it does not state how much of that percentage was gun crime vs. the usual posession of controlled substances, petty theft, public intoxication, failure to show for parole check-in appointments...

Perhaps the new gun crime stat is so low that the enemidia chooses not to report it?

22 posted on 12/01/2011 8:13:11 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: PapaBear3625
He'd like to get his gun rights re-instated, but the legal costs would be several thousands of dollars, and it's not in his budget right now.

Sounds like he need to get the ACLU to take his case pro-bono. They love druggies! (He doesn't have to tell them he's reformed.)

23 posted on 12/01/2011 8:16:26 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Bigh4u2
It shouldn’t matter what his ‘behavior’ was behind bars.

With all due respect, slight disagreement. Proper behavior gets him out on time; bad behavior adds time to sentence. Fair to all.

24 posted on 12/01/2011 8:19:22 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: LibWhacker
If you deny felons the right to keep and bear arms, you open the door for libs to make us all felons by enacting laws that are so restrictive, a person couldn't possibly live his life without breaking at least one of them.

I'm going to look up that paragraph from Atlas Shrugged which states it that way!

25 posted on 12/01/2011 8:23:03 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Bigh4u2

That’s my point: for most practical purposes, they ARE restored by the simple fact he’s not physically incarcerated, and thus able to exercise those rights regardless of any paperwork formalities. The “free, but rights denied” notion is more a denial of reality: he’s out, so he can exercise RKBA - be it rock or Glock; any denial is just a matter of being caught transgressing the shapes of ink on paper, and that likely after the concern has become a tragic reality.


26 posted on 12/01/2011 8:25:00 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: JimRed
Found it!

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” -Atlas Shrugged

27 posted on 12/01/2011 8:26:28 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain
Life-long sentences should be only for specific crimes, spelled out in law and imposed after conviction.

They should not be part of some blanket category called "felony" so some 19-year-old who steals a car ends up dealing with burdens at age 35 that no 19-year-old would even consider when committing to an action.

28 posted on 12/01/2011 8:28:59 AM PST by Tribune7 (Perry, Newt, Cain or Santorum)
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To: JimRed

“Proper behavior gets him out on time; bad behavior adds time to sentence. Fair to all.”

Any behavior that would ‘add time’, should be severe enough to charge him with another ‘crime’ and he should be tried and sentenced just as before.

Calling the warden a ‘putz’ to his face is not a good enough reason to ‘add time’ to a sentence already predetermined by a Judge or Jury.

Committing another crime should be the only way.


29 posted on 12/01/2011 8:36:04 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: yldstrk
if you don’t think he/she is doing a good job, fire them and get another.

Regarding that, since I see you are an attorney, can you tell me the name of some lawyer's publication that features articles about the courtroom exploits of local lawyers? I think it's a single publication, but one that has a different edition for each city.

I heard about it on the radio many years ago, before the internet. Supposedly it's a good way to find some of the best lawyers in your city. When you find yourself in need of an attorney, you're supposed to go to the library and read all the back issues. You're sure to find someone, or so said this lawyer I was listening to on the radio. It's supposed to be a good resource for people who are not in the profession and so do not know who the good lawyers are in their town.

I wrote down the name of the magazine but misplaced it long ago. (I never need a lawyer . . . knock on wood . . . but just in case, it'd be a nice thing to know once again.) Thanks!

30 posted on 12/01/2011 8:36:29 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: ctdonath2

Another thing is the ‘3 strikes rule’, of which I am only aware of in California and New York.

What makes those states feel they have the authority to add charges to someone’s crime because they are a ‘3 time loser’?

The interesting thing about New York is, you don’t even have to commit the crime that state.

If you are convicted in New York of 2 felonies, and are arrested, tried and convicted of another felony in another state, New York says they have the ‘right’ to charge you with a ‘3 strikes’ felony if you return to their state.

What they have done is essence is created a ‘crime against the state’ that should never exist.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 8:44:03 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: JimRed

Yes, thank you. Good idea. I did not mean to imply it was original to me. I think I first saw it reading Lysander Spooner, not Rand.


32 posted on 12/01/2011 8:44:03 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: marktwain

How stupid can some people be?

First, a felon is a felon because he broke the law.

Second, a felon will own a weapon or gun if he wants to regardless to the law.

Rule 1: Felons don’t obey laws......PERIOD!

Rule 2: People who think a law will stop a felon from owning a gun are stupid....PERIOD!


33 posted on 12/01/2011 8:51:05 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: marktwain
As I recall at the time the Second Amendment was proposed and promulgated a convicted felon underwent Civil Death upon his conviction; Civil Death meant he could not vote, enter into a contract, make a will or own a weapon. It appears that the founders probably knew of the imposition of Civil Death when they passed the first ten amendments and yet had no problem with the deprivation of felons "rights."

Pity for the felon is one of the symptoms of todays decline; the inability to exclude and sympathy for those that harm society i.e. felons. Firm Up!

34 posted on 12/01/2011 9:13:28 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: marktwain
Yes, with the exception of having once, committed a VIOLENT crime having involved a weapon, then, I would have reservations, based on the totality of circumstances.

Other than that, and certainly for all NON-VIOLENT felons, the answer is an unequivocal YES, but don't look to the spineless legislators (including Republi-tards) to vote to change the law any time soon.

35 posted on 12/01/2011 9:19:39 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: marktwain
Yes, with the exception of having once, committed a VIOLENT crime having involved a weapon, then, I would have reservations, based on the totality of circumstances.

Other than that, and certainly for all NON-VIOLENT felons, the answer is an unequivocal YES, but don't look to the spineless legislators (including Republi-tards) to vote to change the law any time soon.

36 posted on 12/01/2011 9:19:56 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: yldstrk
Sorry, this must be it. Google is a wonderful thing! :-)
37 posted on 12/01/2011 9:23:17 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: marktwain

I don’t have any problems with a convict getting his rights to keep and bear arms back. It shouldn’t be quick and it shouldn’t be easy, but it should be available. Say, 6 months to a year clean, and small stack of paperwork.

But if they are ever convicted of another felony (esp. a violent one, or one involving weapons) they should lose it permanently.


38 posted on 12/01/2011 9:38:39 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The policy that should be applied is: if he’s too dangerous to have a gun, then why is he loose on the street?

+1


39 posted on 12/01/2011 9:56:27 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: ctdonath2
why are they let out?

depends on the state. in Kalifornia, it's for 'overcrowding' due to having to house all the illegals. here in MN, it's due to everyone gets probation or a slap on the wrist.

40 posted on 12/01/2011 10:01:41 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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