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To: marstegreg; sickoflibs
We lost EVERY branch of government.

Except the SCOTUS.

Perhaps we should have paid attention (with a big grain of salt, of course). Not to global warming so much, but to the trend. If we knew the facts, i mean the REAL facts and confronted people with them we might not be in this mess today.....just thinking out loud.

OK. I believe if the GOP adopts the Left's positions to keep from losing elections (and that's what Newt's statements about CO2 sounded like 7 years ago) then that is worse than losing elections. But yes, we should learn how to debate the left, and we should not be 100% opposed to something just because the Left is for it.

I think humans will find better and cheaper ways to power things in the future. But there has to be an element of common sense involved. Obama wants to put too many eggs in the "green energy" basket while hampering conventional energy development. Imagine if the USA had stopped all production of conventional weapons while working on the Manhattan Project in WW2 (kind of like what Hitler did -- his "super weapons" were going to win for him).

Newt has admitted that he made a mistake sitting on the couch with Pelosi. (Compare Romney who flips without even admitting he was wrong.)

I still have some concerns about Newt on immigration, but I don't trust Romney at all.

76 posted on 12/01/2011 7:53:53 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I still have some concerns about Newt on immigration, but I don’t trust Romney at all.

I think Newt’s mistake on immigration is assuming the “too big to fail” strategy. Meaning that there are too many people to really do anything about them. There has to be a way, one of them just needs to come up with one. As far as global warming goes, I don’t believe they should have adopted the left’s position, they just never delivered viable opposition to it. There were people on the right who were not convinced, there were people who agreed, but no one ( with a stake in this game ) came out vehemently against it. At least no one I cam remember. ( I’m talking big name politicians). a lot politicians were complicit in lending credibility to this farce not just the crazies.


79 posted on 12/01/2011 8:14:38 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
I still have some concerns about Newt on immigration ...
Me too but I'll take him over Romney.
More importantly - a majority in the House and Senate will do more for Conservatism regardless of who's in the WH.
81 posted on 12/01/2011 8:17:32 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; marstegreg; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :"OK. I believe if the GOP adopts the Left's positions to keep from losing elections (and that's what Newt's statements about CO2 sounded like 7 years ago) then that is worse than losing elections. But yes, we should learn how to debate the left, and we should not be 100% opposed to something just because the Left is for it. "

This is what I have been trying to point out. When I see Republicans that cant defend their positions in a rational way it makes me wonder if they actually have a reason for them or it's just politically motivated in some way.

I recall a few comments I read and heard in 2007, they went :"We need Dick Cheney as POTUS because he will veto everything Pelosi sends him. I dont care if he can explain it or not. Just veto. That strategy is good until the next election maybe. We are seeing some of this right now with the Boehner House,

85 posted on 12/01/2011 8:31:02 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; marstegreg; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; LMAO; dools0007world; indylindy; ...
Republicans were counting on winning 2012 based on little more than :”At least we are not Obama”. But Republicans winning the house last year gave Obama the chance to create the picture that Republicans control congress and run on : “At least we are not Republicans”. And Republicans appear to be unprepared for that sea change. They act like it's still 2010.
89 posted on 12/01/2011 9:22:24 AM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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