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When Newt Gingrich fought for the moderates
Yahoo ^ | 11/30/2011 | Chris Moody

Posted on 11/30/2011 10:59:02 PM PST by South40

With his recent rise in the polls, Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich is crisscrossing the nation with a message that he is the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney. But in another season of his life, Gingrich carried out a very different mission: promoting moderates.

At a 2004 event sponsored by the Republican Main Street Partnership, a coalition of centrist lawmakers, Gingrich touted his openness to candidates that don't toe the conservative line and condemned hardliner groups such as the influential small-government PAC Club for Growth for refusing to endorse candidates that they thought veered too far to the center.

"Everywhere I've been, I've argued in favor of electing the moderates," Gingrich said in 2004, according to a report in Bloomberg Businessweek at the time.

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1 posted on 11/30/2011 10:59:04 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

Newt will act conservative in the primaries. He will turn centrist in general. Worst of all Newt is unpredictable. Newt is just as much of a flip flopper as Mittens, if not worse. I will vote for Ron or Ricky before I vote for Newt. The DNC is chomping at the bite with Newt’s baggage. They are probably making commercials as we speak.


2 posted on 11/30/2011 11:33:27 PM PST by federal__reserve (Newt has more political baggage than any others running. $1 Billion will exploit it mercilessly.)
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To: federal__reserve
...veered too far to the center,,,

Wonder what persuation this writer tends to favor?????

What an interesting comment.

3 posted on 11/30/2011 11:37:48 PM PST by downtownconservative
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To: South40
Newt is a RINO.
His association with Alvin Toffler and the third wave
AKA Plato's third wave is where Marx plagiarized his
works.

The march to tyranny in America continues.

4 posted on 11/30/2011 11:38:26 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: South40
Newt is shaping up to be worse than Mittens. His background is a disaster full of RINO and Progressive ideals and a total dismissal of true Conservatives.

Newt Gingrich is More Dangerous To America Than Obama and I Can Prove It!

5 posted on 11/30/2011 11:40:01 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Newt is a fraud.

No Amnesty.
No Newt.

6 posted on 11/30/2011 11:51:32 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Quite a rant at that thar link you offer. A bit of dramatic hyperbole fit for an enemy of the state. Overreach never sells. Ridiculous.


7 posted on 11/30/2011 11:51:36 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

You may want to open a new thread with that link!


8 posted on 11/30/2011 11:55:42 PM PST by federal__reserve (Newt has more political baggage than any others running. $1 Billion will exploit it mercilessly.)
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To: federal__reserve
You're right. Newt will do or say anything that he feels will benefit him and is every bit the flip-flopper as Mitt. He can't be trusted.
9 posted on 11/30/2011 11:57:51 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to pro-ILLEGAL alien RINOS!)
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To: RitaOK

Can you explain to me, as a Newt devote, why I should trust anything this man says today? As long ago as a few months ago he was slamming Paul Ryan as radical, wrote a big gov’t solutions Global Warming book in ‘08, wrote glowingly of the Bush amnesty a few years before that and on and on. He was thrown out of the house for a reason. He is a bad leader and a shifty person.

Why not explain to me why you support having everyone that recieved money from Fannie and Freddy give their money back to the Gov’t except Newt? Why should he keep the money and everyone else give it back?


10 posted on 12/01/2011 12:00:32 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: DaveTesla

Speaking of tyranny, have you read this?

‘U.S. Congress enacts laws to hold civilians under indefinite military detention without trial’

And some Freepers continue to support RINO’s like Newt and Romney.

VOTE FOR TRUE CONSERVATIVES.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 12:09:02 AM PST by This Just In (This change makes no cents)
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To: Lazlo in PA

The reply to your question should be interesting.


12 posted on 12/01/2011 12:12:33 AM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

I was just reading it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2814517/posts

I am going to look up who voted for this.


13 posted on 12/01/2011 12:15:31 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Would you mind posting the YEAS AND NEAS?


14 posted on 12/01/2011 12:17:32 AM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

I cant comment on it till I have read more.
But here is the link to the bill,

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.1867:


15 posted on 12/01/2011 12:18:21 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Would you mind posting the Yeas and Neas?


16 posted on 12/01/2011 12:24:28 AM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In

It will be met with the usual personal attack and being called a Romneybot that I usually get when I ask a serious question about Newts shifting policies and hypocritical proclamations.

I am absolutely shocked that the guy we have been calling out as a phoney for years here is all of a sudden a hero of the Conservative movement to some just because he says so. Absurd.


17 posted on 12/01/2011 12:25:09 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: DaveTesla
My apologies for the double post. My pc crashed just as I clicked .
18 posted on 12/01/2011 12:25:42 AM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In
What is it that you find troubling with this bill?

As it states,
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a
person in military custody under this section does not
extend to citizens of the United States.


S.1867
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (Placed on Calendar Senate - PCS)


Subtitle D—Detainee Matters

SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.

(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).

(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

(e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons’ for purposes of subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.

(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined—

(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and

(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.

(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.

(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

(c) Implementation Procedures-

(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.

(2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:

(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.

(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.

(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.

(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.

(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.

(d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.

19 posted on 12/01/2011 12:27:22 AM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Some indeed. Thankfully, not by all.


20 posted on 12/01/2011 12:28:00 AM PST by This Just In
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