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Goodbye to conservatism
The Daily Caller ^ | 2011-11-03 | Jack Hunter

Posted on 11/26/2011 7:26:14 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Conservatism is a negative philosophy. I don’t mean “negative” in the sense that it proposes something undesirable. I mean that it seeks to negate objectionable aspects of the human condition. Man has a propensity for evil. This means that men must be restrained in some fashion — which is precisely why conservatives have typically stressed religion, conventional morality, humility, etc.

But conservatives have also stressed that any government designed to be powerful enough to restrain men will also be run by men, whose collective propensity for evil is to be feared even more. Conservatives have never argued that man should not be governed — only that there is far more to fear from humanity organized in the collective called “the state” than from the inherent and inevitable shortfalls of individual men. Classical liberal Lord Acton perhaps summed up conservatives’ creed best when he wrote that “Power tends to corrupt. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Our Founding Fathers were unabashedly conservative in their attitudes toward the state. President George Washington said: “Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. Government is force; like fire it is a dangerous servant — and a fearful master.” James Madison noted: “The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” Thomas Jefferson was even blunter about the danger of centralizing state power: “Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.”

From the Founding to the 20th century, critiques of the modern state — or what we today call “big government” — were at the heart of traditional American conservatism. Ronald Reagan’s hero, President Calvin Coolidge, was a champion of laissez faire and a harsh critic of statism. “Mr. Republican” Senator Robert Taft led conservatives in their battles against President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal. President Reagan would later sum up conservatives’ view unequivocally: “Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem.”

This brief history of the American conservative tradition is necessary to demonstrate how it has now become history. The election of Reagan in 1980 was revolutionary in that it popularized the term “conservative” like never before — and it was tragic in that the word’s widespread use stripped it of any substantive philosophical meaning. Today, virtually every Republican — relatively liberal leaders like Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham are prime examples — calls himself a “conservative.” But do they mean it in the same way the Founders or Reagan did? Do they mean it in any substantive way at all?

We know the GOP presidential candidates don’t like Obama, Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi, and each candidate can rattle off one-liners about Democrats. But who among them has a major beef with the modern state, to the degree that it guides their political philosophy?

Last month, The Los Angeles Times put the current Republican presidential field into proper context:

The basic question posed by the likes of Republicans Herman Cain, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry is: “Would this person do a better job as president than Barack Obama has?”

The basic question posed by Rep. Ron Paul’s candidacy is: “Why do we have a federal government?”

[…]

Paul isn’t saying the federal government is wasting every dollar it spends; he’s saying the federal government doesn’t need to do much of what it does. Which gets us back to the existential challenge that Paul poses to Washington. Why is the federal government performing so many functions?

This “existential challenge” is American Conservatism 101. Much of what passes for conservatism these days is mere Republican tinkering with the current system, not a rejection of it. Too many of today’s self-described conservatives don’t necessarily want to get rid of big government. They simply want to “fix” it, or as current Republican presidential front-runner Herman Cain noted of a certain fellow contender: “[With Ron Paul] everything is ‘end this, end that, end this, end that!’ You have to fix stuff, not end everything.”

Not “end this” or “end that”? Now this is something new for conservatives. Should we not get rid of the Department of Education that Reagan (like Paul) always wanted to abolish, and instead just “fix” it? No Child Left Behind, Cain-style? Conservatives’ argument has long been that the federal government has no constitutional role in education. Senator Barry Goldwater, the conservative movement’s long-time standard-bearer, went even further in outlining proper constitutional parameters:

I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is “needed” before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible.

Who speaks like this anymore? Some of the GOP candidates say that they’ll take Obama’s mess and make it more Republican, which might be enough to win the next election, but it’s not conservative. Not even close.

This is particularly interesting, or depressing, at a time when the grassroots right is more open to pure conservative philosophy — in all its unadulterated anti-government, anti-state bravado — than it has been at any other time in recent political memory.

The big government that the Founders warned us about, and that Coolidge, Taft, Goldwater and Reagan tried to fight, is now here. It’s hard to fathom the concept of “big government” being any bigger than our current federal government. And we’re simply going to “fix” it? Good luck with that — and goodbye to conservatism.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; conservatism; coolidge; federalism; lping; reagan; ronpaul; southernavenger; taft
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1 posted on 11/26/2011 7:26:15 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Rick Perry rejects the Status Quo.

He is for limited and reduced Gov, he is for States rights.
He is fiscally conservative.

Ron Paul is correct on many fiscal matters and libertarian matters, but he is a dangerous fellow on isolationism and defense.


2 posted on 11/26/2011 7:32:43 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabscuttle385

Long past time to discuss how to ‘save’ America; there’s nothing left to save.

It must be taken back.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 7:34:55 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; if they don't say "Merry Christmas", don't buy.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Um...no. Washington was an adamant Federalist and one of the most influential driving forces behind the inception of a central government. The quotation cited indicates that Washington knew the danger of what he was doing, not that he didn't intend to do it. The author is free to define conservatism however he likes but not to misrepresent the Founders.

In point of fact, most of the Founders on both sides could more accurately be described as Progressives inasmuch as conservatives in those days were interested in conserving the Crown government. I use the term Progressive precisely: these men, even the ones who did not believe in the adoption of the Constitution such as George Clinton did believe in an established historicist pattern of lessening aristocracy and the march of humanity toward liberty, equality, etc - to them the Enlightenment pointed toward a new future for America, one without a King. Those of us who wish to return to that set of ideals and approach to government might properly be described as conservative today because that's what we wish to conserve. Those fellows weren't conserving anything, they were breaking new ground.

And yet I might be overstating the case. In the eyes of Edmund Burke they were conserving certain vital aspects of the British government from which they broke: its basic structure, its basis in Common Law; these and a list of others were what he found the French Revolution throwing out, the baby with the bathwater, and the new American government preserving. That was not a popular attitude among even such Founders as Thomas Paine, but it was the central thesis of his Reflections on the Revolution in France.

Off my soapbox. Thanks for posting, Rabby!

4 posted on 11/26/2011 7:45:31 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: rabscuttle385

No matter how pure your Constitutional conservatism, politics is the art of the possible. Until we get an overwhelming majority in all of Congress and a conservative president, we will not be able to do as you suggest.


5 posted on 11/26/2011 7:48:58 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: MichaelCorleone

How do you “take back” something that isn’t there?


6 posted on 11/26/2011 7:50:16 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: rabscuttle385

What is happening now isn’t unlike trying to fix the flat tire on your car that just forced your car off a cliff. IOW- fixing the flat is useless...

Both the democrat party and the repulican party are corrupt to the core. We are past the point of know return. Soon, very soon, we may be involved in a large scale war in eastern Europe and the middle east.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 7:56:34 PM PST by stockpirate (Real hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm afraid that I could not read the entire piece. These statements stopped me in my tracks:

"I mean that it seeks to negate objectionable aspects of the human condition. Man has a propensity for evil. This means that men must be restrained in some fashion. "

"Conservatives have never argued that man should not be governed "

This may be the most frightening and dangerous GARBAGE that I've ever seen posted in seriousness here at FR.

Locke's Second Treatise on Government. Read it.

Then, come back, state the PURPOSE of a just government, and then tell me I'm wrong.

9 posted on 11/26/2011 7:57:40 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: rabscuttle385
Goodbye to conservatism

Speak for yourself.

10 posted on 11/26/2011 7:59:14 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: mylife

“Rick Perry rejects the Status Quo. He is for limited and reduced Gov, he is for States rights.
He is fiscally conservative.”

Too bad he Coddles Illegals and considers conservatives ‘heartless’ because they refuse to...


11 posted on 11/26/2011 8:00:26 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: rabscuttle385

Failure by elitist politicians to voice true conservatism does not mean conservatism is ending.

Particularly when we the people know exactly what conservatism is, and the meaning of liberty.

I dare you—you measly little leftists out there—I dare you to try and perpetrate more of your stupid little ideology on us. You think the Tea Party caught you off guard? Keep going the way you’re going!


12 posted on 11/26/2011 8:09:44 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. (See W.L. Craig, and many others.))
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To: BobL

I think you are mistaken.


13 posted on 11/26/2011 8:10:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabscuttle385; BobL
Our Founding Fathers were unabashedly conservative in their attitudes toward the state. President George Washington said: “Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. Government is force; like fire it is a dangerous servant — and a fearful master.” James Madison noted: “The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” Thomas Jefferson was even blunter about the danger of centralizing state power: “Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.”

Strong arguments for decentralized Gov.

14 posted on 11/26/2011 8:12:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabscuttle385
Conservatism is a negative philosophy....(edit)...I mean that it seeks to negate objectionable aspects of the human condition.

This could be said of any political philosophy.

15 posted on 11/26/2011 8:19:28 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: mylife

“I think you are mistaken.”

When I see E-Verify, no more Sanctuary Cities, and no more Texas Dream Act...here in Texas, then I will agree that Governor Perry isn’t coddling Illegals. Since none of those seem to be a priority for him in 2011, maybe it will be before 2015, should he decide to run again.


16 posted on 11/26/2011 8:19:29 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Billthedrill

The founding fathers were classical liberals.

Freedom and self governance. Self sufficiency.

The exact opposite of a modern liberal/progressive. “Progressives” are Marxists.


17 posted on 11/26/2011 8:24:42 PM PST by DB
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To: BobL

Perry was against sanctuary city’s, he could not veto the Tx dream act and he believes that E Verify is a transference of responsibility from the Feds to the American businessmen that is unfair in businessmen.

He has passed Voter ID, and done a dozen things to control the border that the Fed refuses to do.

Perry passed a law that prevents the State or Local authority’s from asking for legal status.

He passed a redistricting that favors conservatives.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Critics-speak-out-against-Texas-sanctuary-2081006.php


18 posted on 11/26/2011 8:30:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: DB
No, but I will admit to a little bit of baiting using that term. Progressivism is older than Marxism although they've taken over the term. Roughly, a "classical" progressive believes in (1) an identifiable course of history, what Karl Popper called "historicism"; (2) that (contrary to the Marxist view) this is not inevitable, but (3) may be helped or hindered by political action. Most of the Founders (both Federalist and anti-Federalist) were definitely of the Lockean persuasion and followers of Montesquieu in terms of the form and structure of government. Some - Jefferson, oddly for a deist, although the guy had more facets than a million-caret diamond - considered that progress mandated by God, "endowed by their Creator".

Some weren't exactly classical liberal - Paine, for example - but Hamilton, that "bastard son of a Scotch merchant" certainly was (I think that was Adams' description but I might be wrong).

I dunno - I'm playing games with labels, I guess. Sort of like "conservative" and "liberal". ;-)

19 posted on 11/26/2011 8:37:17 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
"Bastard son of a drunken Scotch peddler."

Yes, John Adams.

20 posted on 11/26/2011 8:39:15 PM PST by Publius
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