Senators Demand the Military Lock Up American Citizens in a “Battlefield”

ACLU Blog ^ | 11/23/2011 | Chris Anders

[autumnraine]

While nearly all Americans head to family and friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, the Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

Senators need to hear from you, on whether you think your front yard is part of a “battlefield” and if any president can send the military anywhere in the world to imprison civilians without charge or trial.

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

[little jeremiah]

LucyT - GenX has quotes from the bill.

I would like to know the specifics and truth; really hard to know sometimes.

[TXnMA]

I loathe the ACLU, but must admit that this was the first image to come to mind:

We should all fear the repeal of "posse commitatus"...

[little jeremiah]

Best comment on the thread!

[rockinqsranch]

Thank you.

[wintertime]

Yeah ! They are sell outs and completely untrustworthy.

[little jeremiah]

There’s all kind of crazy and treasonous and criminal stuff the gov is doing - no one can even know it all, and it’s constnatly accelerating. But still there is imaginings and speculation and it’s very hard sometimes to separate fact from fiction. All I can do at this point is to try to use trustworthy sources, since I can’t read the documents/bills/laws etc - even if could I’m too dumb to undestand them.

And I trust the ACLU even less than I would trust McCain or the other guy.

[little jeremiah]

Sudentenland, sounds as though you seriously need some kind of Paxil or one of those calming anti-psychotic meds. Or at least a hot bath with a bit of lavender oil (make sure it’s pure essential oil, no “fragrance oil”, for the real therapeutic effect). Afterwards some warm milk or chamomile tea would be very soothing.

I strongly recommend the above. Sounds as though your anger will cause some high BP or an aneurism or something. Stroke, heart attack, etc. Think of the grieving relatives you’ll leave behind. (But if you communicate with them like the comment to wintertime, maybe they’ll be cheering...)

BTW plenty of people agree with wintertime.

[Sudetenland]

Keep your condescension for your fellow delusionals, I don't need it and it only proves how bankrupt your reasoning is that you have to resort to it as a response.

As for "plenty of people agree with wintertime," that only speaks to the sad state of "conservatism" on this forum. Nothing like conservatives eating their own in the vain search for a perfect conservative.

Folks of your and wintertime's mentality would be calling Bill Buckley, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater "RINOs."

Your version of "conservatism" is far more accurately called "John Birchism." No thanks, I'll stick with Rush, Michelle and all of the rest of those previously named (maligned) real conservatives--those who remain in touch with reality. You can keep your Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell looney tunes politics.

BTW, plenty of people agree with Ron Paul, but that doesn't mean is isn't a major lune.

[little jeremiah]

Turns out a lot of what the John Birchers said regarding communism was on target.

[Lazamataz]

Total bunk.

While S. 1235 had some very scary language in it, apparantly this one, S. 1867, does not and applies only to foreign capture of noncombatants, but under the law of war.