Posted on 11/25/2011 10:06:51 PM PST by neverdem
The Socialist Paradise! Come and see our comrades earning $100 a month while the communist party heads drive around in limousines! Communism is just lies and a way for people who couldn’t get enough votes to be treasurer of the audio/visual club in high school to take control of a nation and enrich themselves. “We will have land reform! Step away from my limousine kid, you might scratch it.”
VN ping again....
You see a signed document, worth the paper it is printed on and little more, as a victory? Boy, you must have loved the declaration of “Peace in our time” from the document that the Brits got from Mr Hitler.
“They have no free speech or movement, but that’ll come with time.”
I wish that was true. We’ve been hearing that same nonsense about Red China while we shipped our manufacturing work (and workers’ futures) over there, and it isn’t happening; in fact, “American” companies have developed the software for their dictators to monitor their media freedom. Not just blocking sites, but reporting the users to The Authority. We are the tools by which the Red Chinese government enslaves its population, and in return they slave for us.
“Allow me to explain.”
You’re kidding, right? Korea was a tie; we successfully defended South Korea from the fate of South Vietnam. The US spent tens of thousands of American lives, and destroyed hundreds of thousands more, because we were responsible for the security of South Vietnam; in the end, we left, the South fell, and 20 years later BJ Clinton acted like it had never happened.
If you paid for private school, get your money back.
And you must have been a publick school teacher.
There is no “interpretation” here, and calling me “anti-American scum” is just pathetic on your part; I mentioned more than once that our governments’ handling of the communist government since the fall of the South has been absurd and an insult to those impacted by the war.
You can be “looney liar in denial”.
I left my wife at home the last time I visited there.
“Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” Lord Palmerston
Top Gear, a British car show (with plenty of comedy) did an episode where they had to buy some transportation and then go from Ho Chi Minh city to Hanoi.
On the way, they stopped off at different places and met the locals.
Then, at the end, they had to navigate Hai Long bay... so they had plenty of video of that amazing site.
You can watch it here:
http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-12-episode-8-vietnam-special_208364.htm
That was very entertaining. Thanks.
Don’t forget the precipitous event of the US Democrats cutting off funding to SV.
China and Vietnam have been going after each other for approximately 700 years. In fact, China, France, Cambodia and Laos (to name a few) have routinely invaded or declared war on Vietnam for those 700 years.
When we got involved in Vietnam in the 50s, it was because the French had finally been defeated (again!) at the battle of Dien Bien Phu tying to end the civil war that was ragng in Vietnam at the time.
The irony of Vietnam is that Ho Ch Minh wanted to establish an American-style democracy in Vietnam. But, when he approached the Americans for assistance in overthrowing the ruling party, we blew him off. That caused him to turn to the Chinese who were only too willing to help him out.
But, you are corrct. Bubba Jeff, who never served a day in the military and hated the military, never should have normalized relations with them while the Vietnam vets were alive. By the same token, Carter should never have forgiven the traitors and cowards who fled to Canada to avoid serving in ‘Nam. All that did was rub salt in the wounds of hundreds of thousands of Vietnam vets and made suckers out of those who died there.
Actually, we've been having a cold war od sorts there since the Korean War. When I was in the Navy during 'Nam and we flew patrols over the S. China Sea, we were required to monitor a specific frequency for a threat monitoring system (called 'Sky King') in the event we were fired upon or there were hostile interceptors in the area.
I thought Ford had pardoned the draft dodgers.
We involved the French in Indochina because they made it clear after WWII that they had no money or public support to fight the Indochina War. We armed them to the teeth, including an aircraft carrier, uniforms/helmets, weapons, etc. - because WE wanted to contain communism. Photos of French troops in that war look just like our soldiers from WWII - they’re using a lot of the same equipment. France had to rely on a lot of colonial troops for the war, as well as native troops; to the end they believed that American air power would be used at Dien Bien Phu, because after all it was US that wanted the war. Like the Bay of Pigs troops, they learned the hard way...
Ho Chi Minh wanted independence as early as the Versailles conference in 1919, but wasn’t permitted to speak for it. Heck, we didn’t even give SOUTH Vietnam US-style democracy; if we had allowed an election, Ho Chi Minh would have won as a write-in candidate (so we simply didn’t hold elections).
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