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And yes, it is bloody amnesty, it is the forgiveness of their crimes against the United States and allowing them to stay in the country. It’s amnesty. And the terms are so loose and meaningless that i’ll give this amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and inevitably they’ll have citizenship as well. Just more games. More sophistry. More same old same old. I’m not buying it and neither are most conservatives who remember the Bush era debates.

WRONG. I don’t want a perfect plan. I just don’t want amnesty for any illegal alien. The plans I do support have been shown to be effective and don’t require Newt’s forgiveness of crimes. And I think my position is shared by quite a few around here and has been repeated multiple times. You simply refuse to accept the possibility that maybe we just don’t want amnesty and have no reason to accept it. And yes, it is bloody amnesty, it is the forgiveness of their crimes against the United States and allowing them to stay in the country. It’s amnesty. And the terms are so loose and meaningless that i’ll give this amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and inevitably they’ll have citizenship as well. Just more games. More sophistry. More same old same old. I’m not buying it and neither are most conservatives who remember the Bush era debates.

Yada, yada, yada. Your silence on "the plan" is deafening. You don't have a plan. Just "no amnesty". And you have no answer on how to round 'em all up, including some kid dragged across the border by his parents 20 years ago, now a father of 3 US citizens and husband to a US citizen wife, who's been working steady for all of those years and been a productive part of his community. And if you say "self-deportation" one more time your own keyboard may start heaving. I, too, wish there was a magic wand that somebody could wave and make every single illegal alien go away. Newt doesn't have that wand, and neither does Cain or anyone else in the running.