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To: GeronL
That sounds like a flip flop to me.

Not at all. Perfectly inline with the debate stance. No path to citizenship for illegals here now, just legal residence without the vote. As soon as Newt stated his position at the debate, Bachmann immediately branded it as Amnesty for everyone. Replay the debate to see. Also most people didn't hear that Newt's plan starts with sealing our border.

30 posted on 11/25/2011 9:55:00 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

You’re not getting it. Even if he isn’t giving them citizenship, it’s still amnesty. He’s just playing with words here, treating us like we’re stupid.


33 posted on 11/25/2011 9:58:57 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: topfile

They will never seal the border.

So did Reagan’s plan, seal the border. Never happened. One of the biggest regrets he ever had.


36 posted on 11/25/2011 10:02:06 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: topfile

Get real on this “it’s not amnesty” kick.

Do you really think that if Gingrich got his wish to legalize the illegals but not give them citizenship, there would not be an immediate push to then make them citizens, because, after all, how can you deny 20 million plus residents the right to vote?

Every eight years a new democrat president is elected and lately, every few years a democrat Congress majority is elected. These “resident aliens” would be made citizens by that democrat president on his way home from the inauguration.

Sorry, but your boy Gingrich just committed suicide by stupidity. He has shown himself clueless on the nature and extent of the illegal alien problem. He has also shown that like Eric Holder, the rule of laws means nothing, and laws are just matters of convenience subject to the pandering needs of the day.

Newt had already revealed his true pandering self with his dismissal of the Tea Party objection to Obamacare with his “I don’t think right wing social engineering is any more desirable than left wing social engineering. I don’t think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate.”

His desire for amnesty fits the pattern. Newt is a falling star.


44 posted on 11/25/2011 10:20:16 PM PST by oldbill
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To: topfile

What newt doesn’t get is that it’s impossible to give them permanent residence without a path to citizenship. Newt knows that once they have amnesty, they’ll be able to get citizenship.

5000 dollars would only work if they have to apply at the border to get in. Otherwise, it’s just amnesty.


64 posted on 11/25/2011 11:21:21 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: topfile

I guess if you had 3 people shot to death in your neighborhood in the last year 1/2 and see drug lords in your neighborhood and illegals you might have a different perspective about the illegals....


104 posted on 11/26/2011 6:56:58 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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