This is a ridiculous straw man. We don't need mass roundups. We need a gradual tightening of the noose around illegals. Random raids need to be stepped up. Renting to illegals needs to become a criminal offense. Employing illegal aliens needs to be penalized with felony convictions, prison terms and harsh fines. Ultimately, the lawbreakers among us have to be held to account. Only then will the illegals give up and leave the country of their own accord. Note that there is no need for either amnesty or mass deportations. The current system of enforcement, without any further changes, would be preferable to legalization, for the simple reason that legalization would suck in millions of additional illegals waiting for the next amnesty to come along.
The Newtsters are a lot like the Perry people: “Why, you can’t load up a bazillion people, tearing them from the arms of their loved ones, loading them into cattle cars,” blah blah blah.
Then they segue into this `jump on the bandwagon!’ thing, and if you disagree with them on this issue (or any number of issues) then they pull out the ad hominem—`Why, you’re nothing but a “hater”—and they then present the false dilemma of Newt or Obama: If you don’t support (our guy) you’re voting for Obama.
This problem isn’t as complicated as they would have us believe. As you say, if we had a justice department serious about enforcing the law all along, there wouldn’t be a problem. Again, I’ll support any candidate who simply promises that he will secure our border and enforce the law. No one but Bachmann is saying that.
We shouldn’t have to expressly make that request: “As the nation’s top law enforcement officer, will you enforce the law? from a conservative candidate. Of course the problem is, Newt ain’t a conservative. He’s spinach and I say tahellwitim.
Please link me to where I or Newt Gingrich did not call for enforcement of laws or closing border. I was quite clear that is a key to some self deportation.
I was responding to freeper calls of 100% deportation which is simply never going to happen.
The general public..of which 40% is leftist or near leftist and a media which is 90% lefty willl never sit still while we do that.
We do not have the political power to deport 20 million latinos...if we can get 1/3rd or half then we would be lucky. Even Ike’s vaunted Wetback plan much touted here stumbled when folks started dying in forced deportations...and that was only 100,000 actually arrested and deported...not 20 million.,..and they had not been here 25-40 years in some case
This is a since 1970s years in the making issue, it won’t be solved overnight. And having lived in Miami back when they did actually deport folks frequently, one had a hearing and would sit at Krome Detention or Oakdale Detention in Louisiana or even some at Fort Chaffee AR waiting for process...any idea where we can store 20 million detainees once we recognize who they are?
Sure some will self deport...hopefully a bunch once they realize we have a POTUS who will enforce the INS laws unlike Obama and to some degree BushII...I think any of these candidates will do better than that
A strawman is an argument totally unrelated to the subject.
Mass deportations are the central issue here and my position on the feasibility of that is well known.
Bachmann is the only one calling for that.
The others have aped more or less Newt’s stance but with less detail. That they and left wing media are bashing Newt over his illegals views is hypocritical and has nothjing to do with truth but merely a tool to attack the frontrunner.
though with different goals
If freeper want total deportation then this should be a Bachmann forum instead of Cain.
Bachmann though was savaged by Sarah folks here early on so something tells me for many it’s about politics not immigration