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To: AmericanInTokyo
All this discussion is a lot of NOISE. Boil it down to this.

1. If you are opposed to ANY form of legalizing illegals, what do we do about the millions of illegals already here?
Do Nothing? Deport them all? BOTH are impossible.

Somewhere in the middle is the answer. To just shout ILLEGAL, ILLEGAL, ILLEGAL, gets us NOWHERE. We just end up with the status quo. So, if you support deporting illegals, you should LOVE Newt's ideas. Under his plans, we would deport MILLIONS! Many, perhaps millions, would SELF DEPORT.

Second, well established illegals could come out of the shadows and pay for their law breaking (just being here illegally is not necessarily a crime) and no longer fear deportation (if accepted).

Illegal is a misnomer. Most illegals (not previously deported) are not committing a CRIME by being here. It is a “Violation”. They can not be sent to prison for it. Held for deportation, but not imprisoned. You should stop being so apoplectic about it. They didn't commit the equivalent of murder, it's more like a speeding ticket.

“The United States Supreme Court has held that “a deportation proceeding is a purely civil action to determine
the eligibility to remain in this country, not to punish an unlawful entry….The purpose of deportation is not to punish past transgressions, but to put an end to a continuing violation of immigration laws.”

So shouting amnesty, AMNESTY, AMNESTY, AMNESTY, and “ILLEGAL means illegal”, actually, it doesn't, gets us nowhere and is factually incorrect.

58 posted on 11/25/2011 7:27:40 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman
Let me clarify, Illegal isn't CRIMINAL. It's not a crime, it's a violation. Civil vs Criminal. Speeding vs robbery.
59 posted on 11/25/2011 7:34:10 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: faucetman

I suppose your against E-Verify and taking their kids off the Welfare roles too.


60 posted on 11/25/2011 7:40:21 AM PST by Haddit (Heartless)
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To: faucetman

Apparently you object to my merely locating and translating an article from the Latino press which indicates their widespread perception of Mr Gingrich and his recent folly so why not all cap your issues with El Molino and their writers?


71 posted on 11/25/2011 10:46:21 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Free Republic is HERMAN CAIN COUNTRY....or will be in a short period of time. Just be patient.)
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To: faucetman

Actually Newt and Rick Perry have both put forward workable solutions. And you are right on spot with with your post.


80 posted on 11/25/2011 5:18:55 PM PST by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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