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To: radpolis

The only one talking out of thier arse is you bucko. Call me whatever names you want, you are full of it.

1. Subsidies do not boost prices, they keep them low (affordable). Tariffs boost prices moron. That is why the push for free trade zones.

2. The problem started before 1981. Go back to the 30’s and 40’s look at Cheese subsidies. The goal was to feed the poor, so the government bought cheese at market rate, then gave it to the poor. This morphed into the infamous paying farmers to not grow crops, under the auspices that it would prevent the next dust bowl (crop rotation). Your timeframe is dishonest.

3. Most countries did not embark on the social engineering programs that we did in the 30s and 40s. Take away the government subsidy infrastructure, and we would all be used to paying more for food.

4. You did not see me address the hidden costs of regulation ... can you not read?

4a. Very few would be willing to pay higher costs day in day out without complaining ... it is called inflation, and if it starts in one sector of the economy, it transfers to other sectors. You might want to read up on it some day ... just sayin.

5. And your point is ...

6. See below. Locals wont work for farm wages, even with high unemployment.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016721033_apusfoodandfarmapplepickers2ndldwritethru.html

This article is from 11/9/11, talking about how apples are rotting on the trees because the season was late and the illegals moved on to other crops, and the locals who are unemployed dont want to work for those wages.


116 posted on 11/23/2011 12:45:23 PM PST by RainMan (Newt - after considering all the others, he is our best choice. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: RainMan

1. You are utterly clueless. The federal government involved itself in the AG sector because of deflation not inflation.

2. You refuse to give any before or after food inflation data between the time illegals started invading and now.

3. You refuse to acknowledge that most countries in this world can provide cheap food for themselves without the support of illegal labor.

4. You refuse to acknowledge that most farm communities with large illegal populations already have massive unemployment rates.

5. You refuse to acknowledge the economic and social costs of the public subsidizing illegal labor with public benefits.

6. People will work for market wages, wages not distorted by illegal labor, but I guess you don’t believe in supply and demand of the labor market, and while you believe that government wrongly distorts food costs with subsidies, you see no problem with distorting labor markets with illegal labor.

We can continue to have this conversation and I will keep punching hole in your La Raza liberal propaganda.


118 posted on 11/23/2011 1:02:40 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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