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The Peak Oil Crisis: Transitioning to Cold Fusion
Falls Church News Press ^ | Nov 16 2011 | Tom Whipple

Posted on 11/16/2011 10:23:18 PM PST by Kevmo

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To: BallandPowder
It depends on the TEMPERATURE the unit was run at. The picture shows nothing more than water scale from heat, (lots of it). If they had used distilled water or even a commercial antifreeze as a transfer fluid the inside would probably be pristine.

I would assume that the home units will have city or well water running through them. What are they going to look like after six months? And how do you know it's just water scale, and something else isn't involved? That's a lot of scale for a few hours operation.

41 posted on 11/17/2011 7:36:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BallandPowder
IT IS A TEST PROTOTYPE.

It's a picture from the October 6th demo, and it looks just like the units that went into the cargo container that the mystery "customer" "bought."

42 posted on 11/17/2011 7:39:05 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
HERE is an interesting thread on the Vortex mailing list, about Rossi's German partner.

They already have a "perpetual motion" power generator that sounds far more impressive than Rossi's tea kettle. It generates electricity and heat without any fuel, which is far better than having to rely on Rossi to provide recharges of his magic pixie dust every six months.

Rossi seems to be consistently picking partners with histories of gullibility and/or fraud.

43 posted on 11/17/2011 7:39:56 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Moonman62

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Have you EVER in your life cleaned out a hot water heater? EH? They work perfectly fine for YEARS or DECADES processing hot water with electric heating elements while precipitating scale all the time..

What on earth makes you think this technology would be any different? (OH yeah - gotta maintain the argument).


44 posted on 11/17/2011 7:41:12 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder
Have you EVER in your life cleaned out a hot water heater?

If I cleaned one after a few hours operation I'd expect it to be like new.

45 posted on 11/17/2011 7:42:30 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Have you EVER in your life cleaned out a hot water heater? If I cleaned one after a few hours operation I'd expect it to be like new.

DOH.. Production water heater built on assembly line runs at 170 Fahrenheit. DOH.. prototype E-cat (you keep forgetting the prototype part) runs at significantly greater temps. and have you EVER seen any of Thomas Edison's prototype light bulbs? They don't look anything like what we have off of production lines today..

46 posted on 11/17/2011 7:57:14 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder
Production water heater built on assembly line runs at 170 Fahrenheit. DOH.. prototype E-cat (you keep forgetting the prototype part) runs at significantly greater temps.

Then it should be built accordingly. If those are deposits, that thing isn't going to last six months. I'd expect that a prototype so close to production would be similar to a unit being sold, especially with the availability of today's materials.

47 posted on 11/17/2011 8:07:13 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

It’s either the greatest technological advancement since prehistoric man learned to make fire, or a scam.

IMHO, in the short term we’d be better off working on COAL fusion (turning solid fossil fuels into liquids and gasses) than cold fusion.


48 posted on 11/17/2011 8:07:48 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: BallandPowder

BTW, Rossi can barely make water boil, so the temperatures wouldn’t be much great than a water heater.


49 posted on 11/17/2011 8:12:11 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

I'd expect that a prototype so close to production would be similar to a unit being sold, especially with the availability of today's materials.

Doh.. Maybe they are, the picture you showed was of a prototype - prototype - prototype (say it with me, you can do it).

You expect too much for somebody who has nothing more invested in a technology other than hot air. Your arguments get sadder and easier to refute every time.

50 posted on 11/17/2011 8:12:50 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Kevmo
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion
Defkalion was set up to hype Rossi's E-Cat. Their internet domain was created the day before Rossi's first public dog & pony show.

The very first sentence of THIS document states:

Defkalion Green Technologies s.a. was established to manufacture and market products based on the E-Cat, which was invented by Andrea Rossi.
So, this part of your argument actually supports the opposite of what you're trying to prove.
51 posted on 11/17/2011 8:18:32 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: BallandPowder

How do you know the unit used for the October 6th test was any different than the ones that were “sold” on October 28th?


52 posted on 11/17/2011 8:18:56 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BallandPowder
"Never argue with a fool -- people might not be able to tell the difference." --Anonymous

:)

53 posted on 11/17/2011 8:21:38 AM PST by citizen (Romney and Perry and Cain! Oh my! All are leagues better than Comrade Obama.)
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To: Moonman62

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Doh... that doesn’t even deserve a response.

But I cant resist.

I wasn’t there and neither were you.

I don’t work in his laboratory (although I wish I could), and neither do you.

I didn’t set up the equipment - oh yeah neither did you.

Are you trying to convince anybody or do you just talk to hear yourself argue?


54 posted on 11/17/2011 8:23:41 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: BallandPowder

If I were a customer or an investor, I’d want the issue addressed.


55 posted on 11/17/2011 8:27:49 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: citizen

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

But he can’t help it.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt . — George Eliot
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.— Abraham Lincoln (also attr. Confucius)
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.— Mark Twain (1835-1910)
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding. — Bible, ‘Proverbs’ 17:28.


56 posted on 11/17/2011 8:28:00 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: Moonman62

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

I’m sure Lennox will offer a substantial warranty once they start mass producing units for the home and office.

You can check with your dealer then on the materials and other concerns...

Doh!


57 posted on 11/17/2011 8:32:31 AM PST by BallandPowder
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Fusion with nickel absorbs energy, not produces any. Physics 101

Are you thinking of stellar nucleosythesis? That involves a different isotope of nickel.

Here is an explanation of what the author thinks is going on in Rossi's device:

http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3080659.ece/BINARY/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf

58 posted on 11/17/2011 8:40:43 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Johnny B.
Even more remarkable is Rossi's claim that he is able to "enhance" the 62Ni and 64Ni isotopes. This is the same process that countries like Iran are trying to accomplish in order to produce bomb-grade material for nuclear bombs. It is the kind of industrial process that strains the capability of entire nations. HERE is the Wikipedia article on how this is done. None of the processes are the type of thing that someone could do in their kitchen.

Uh, wrong. There is very little correspondence between what Rossi purports to be doing and uranium isotope enrichment. Uranium enrichment is not done through transmutation; it is essentially a chemical and/or physical separation process. Rossi is claiming proton and/or electron capture to transmute nickel to copper or the reverse, and those reactions release energy in the form of antiparticles and/or gamma rays.

59 posted on 11/17/2011 8:47:51 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Kevmo
Here's a simpler explanation of the reaction, showing how 5 grams of transmuted nickel could generate 10 kW of thermal heat for 6 months, assuming 50% efficiency transforming the nuclear energy to heat:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473

60 posted on 11/17/2011 8:50:54 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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