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To: Nowhere Man; Ramius; RosieCotton; ecurbh
Over five pages, the draft BLM regulations raise concerns about how shooting can cause a "public disturbance." They also raise worries about how shooting and shooters can hurt plants and litter public lands.

This is the key paragraph foes say could lead to shooters being kicked off public lands:

"When the authorized officer determines that a site or area on BLM-managed lands used on a regular basis for recreational shooting is creating public disturbance, or is creating risk to other persons on public lands; is contributing to the defacement, removal or destruction of natural features, native plants, cultural resources, historic structures or government and/or private property; is facilitating or creating a condition of littering, refuse accumulation and abandoned personal property is violating existing use restrictions, closure and restriction orders, or supplementary rules notices, and reasonable attempts to reduce or eliminate the violations by the BLM have been unsuccessful, the authorized officer will close the affected area to recreational shooting."

This is the clause that will end shooting on public lands. I agree with most that the danger to bystanders is nil, assuming of course, appropriate location and proper backstop.

As someone who has occasionally used a gravel pit on our own local public land area... "our" stewardship of this land has not been good.

Look at these pictures... Look at the amount of garbage, spent shell casings, shot-up garbage in the range area (an unbelievable amount of glass out there) and crap left behind. Our new targets brought with us are the paper targets, one near and one far against the hill. The rest of course, was already there.

I wondered, when we were there last time, why the state (this is state land) has not shut this site down already. It is a complete mess. The only explanation we could think of was that they were viewing it as a sacrifice area that should be left open lest shooters just go find a new place to junk up. If so... I guess that's smart management.

But it's not real good PR, that this gravel pit is one of the first turnoffs when entering our state forest land. One that people looking for a little time in the outdoors might stumble upon, if they miss the turn to the public trailhead.

If there are places that are at risk of closure, an offer of cleanup and good 'pack it in, pack it out' practices might go a long way toward keeping it open.

Pinging others in the pics with me ;~)

22 posted on 11/16/2011 7:59:51 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

It is a gravel pit, not Mount Rushmore. Other than shooting, there isn’t a reason to stop there at all.


33 posted on 11/16/2011 9:10:53 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: HairOfTheDog

alot of shooters come from what is commonly called “white trash” and not for no reason.


46 posted on 11/16/2011 11:49:03 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: HairOfTheDog
agree that the place looks like a landfill...question tho, is there a dang garbage can anywhere in sight ???

'packit in, pack it out' is common sense on anybodys land, as is using proper targets...NOT bottles and such...

that said, gubmint will spend millions and billions in 'management' of land, but cant/wont dump those used tire shavings used for playgrounds or gravel it, or even concrete/asphalt the shooting area for easy brass cleanup ???

oh well, like anything else, a few dumbasses will ruin whats left of a good thing...but realistically, we could make it pristine and it wouldnt matter to the statists who think they own the hundreds of millions of acres of public lands.../rant

47 posted on 11/16/2011 12:00:26 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Looks a lot cleaner then a leftist aka progressive treehugger event! Or earth day event!


63 posted on 11/17/2011 8:22:35 AM PST by DMG2FUN
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