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Posted on 11/15/2011 1:05:04 PM PST by nerdwithagun
SAGINAW COUNTY, MI (WNEM) - Michigan lawmakers are looking at allowing residents to pack heat in their vehicles to work.
It's part of a bill that would allow concealed permit owners to lock firearms in their vehicles. But not everyone is on board with the idea
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This is Michigan, so I believe the bill will not pass for this reason. I'm shocked nothing was mentioned by the UAW. Can anybody comment on if Michigan Manufactures Association would come out this way if the unions wanted it? All parts of Michigan gov. right now are Republican, but I can see enough Republicans voting against this unfortunetly.
It really isn’t a simple issue. There are two clear and conflicting rights at play.
A private citizen has a right to carry but a private citizen has every right to dictate whether they want guns in their homes or not.
However, if I were in a business that didn’t allow guns and was shot, you can bet I’d be going after the business for every penny I could get.
So would keeping your mouth shut!
First rule in security is to keep your defenses secret!
No need to post a laundry list of situations where you want to discourage folks up front......
It is an interesting question, but I do think there is a straightforward answer. A property owner has the right to control what happens on his property, but there are reasonable limitations there too. By building a parking lot you're inviting people to park ~their~ private property there. If somebody parks their car in my driveway, it does not give me the right to search their car or even inquire about what is in the car. It's a little bubble of separate property. I don't even think I can issue any directive about what they may or may not have in their car. Since I can't search it, any such directive is unenforceable. If I can't enforce a rule fairly and consistently I cannot see how I can insist on any right to make such a rule.
Seems reasonable to me that the inside of a car is a little bubble of private space-- a part of my "home" even-- and an employer has no rights over it. He does have a right to prevent me from carrying into the building, but that right doesn't extend into my ~own~ property. Seems perfectly fair to me.
True enough. I’m nearly 50 years old and have yet to see a factory attempt to search an employee’s car. In fact, here in Michigan, many companies wouldn’t have any employees left if they did.
Now that its firearm deer season, I’d estimate that some 30% or 40% of employees across the state have guns in their cars right now.
What utter bullsh*t.
A car is property. It is a conveyance. What is in my conveyance is of no concern to the state as long as I am harming nobody.
When are we going to stop "allowing" the state to accord us rights, and assert natural law status? See my tagline. Oathbreakers.
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I can think of a couple of local companies where employees can wear their guns at work.
A while back I noticed that the guy running the cash register at the hardware was armed and they were armed with long guns at the feedmill long before we had a CCW law.
I would disagree slightly. A property owner has the right to demand (or have his agents demand) anyone whose car is on his property to either permit a search or remove the car from the property; the owner would be entitled to have guards make such a demand of anyone bringing a vehicle onto the property. That having been said, if zoning ordinances would require that e.g. a business must provide 50 parking spaces, such ordinances could reasonably read to only count spaces that would not impose such restrictions upon people leaving their vehicles there; a business which wants to provide additional spaces which are subject to more restriction should be free to do so.
Yes. That’s correct. The business owner could post that all vehicles are subject to search, and then each person could decide whether they want to park on the property or not. They can even demand that persons entering the property are subject to search as well. Certain high-security companies come to mind, and for them it’s simply an operational imperative. But if it’s not posted as such and is more or less like a public parking lot, then they should just leave personal vehicles alone.
My company’s policy manual, for example, is totally silent on the topic of firearms. There is no policy one way or the other. That’s the way I like it. :-)
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