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To: DannyTN
We used to have import tariffs to protect American industries, but import tariffs are at historic lows.

Yes, we must make everything too expensive for Americans to afford to buy, said Americans are already being taxed up the ying yang to support the welfare state so there is no low-priced labor in the United States, as well as the government bureaucracy that makes it too onerous to comply with all the government regulations to continue to try to manufacture in the U.S.
121 posted on 11/15/2011 1:48:02 PM PST by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: Cheburashka
Thankfully, somebody understands this mess.
123 posted on 11/15/2011 1:54:54 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Cheburashka
"Yes, we must make everything too expensive for Americans to afford to buy, said Americans are already being taxed up the ying yang to support the welfare state so there is no low-priced labor in the United States, as well as the government bureaucracy that makes it too onerous to comply with all the government regulations to continue to try to manufacture in the U.S."

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can kill all government regulation and taxes, and you still can't compete with the labor wages in China.

Raising import quotas aren't going to make things too expensive for Americans to buy. Didn't Americans still buy stuff before we outsourced everything to China? Yes we did! The difference was that we all had jobs, and now 20% of us don't.

Do you really think that 15% of the population just willingly gave up working in the last couple of years due to the welfare state? I don't think so. I think they would love to have jobs. They might be holding out taking a job at Mcdonalds or cleaning catfish, because they don't make use of their skills, but you have to ask yourself where did the jobs go? What changed? And outsourcing overseas is what changed.

The choice is simple. Either raise import tariffs which will help equalize the tax burden on imported goods vs domestically produced goods. And get jobs to return to the U.S. Or continue to buy cheap stuff until you and everyone else is out of a job.

131 posted on 11/16/2011 8:35:01 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Cheburashka
Imagine a world with 2 cities: Smallville and Scruyank.

Smallville has population 100 and 3 factories each employing 33 people that make ooo's aah's and Whoopdedos. There people earn 10K a year and unemployed recieve 3k a year unemployment. Smallville people buy the output from the 3 factories and everyone is very happy. Government taxes are 10%. They have 1% unemployment.

Smallville GNI is 99*10k = 990,000.
Gov't Revenues are 99,000
Gov't Expenditures are 3,000.
Gov't surplus is 96,000.

Scruyank has 300 people and they are dirt poor famers barely feeding themselves.

Scruyank offers the owners of Factory #3 $300 employees instead of the $10k smallville workers if Factory #3 is relocated to Scruyank. Scruyank management agrees.

Notice what happens to Smallville
Smallville unemployment jumps to 34%.
GNI is now 66*10k = 660,000.
Gov't Revenues are 66,000
Gov't Expenditures are 33*3k = 66,000.
Gov't Surplus is now $0.

However the 66% that still have jobs, can now buy Whoopdedo's for 1/3 the price that they could before. They are a little bit better off and begin to look down their nose at the lazy 34% that don't have jobs.

Now Scruyank approaches Factory #2 with a similar deal. Factory #2 agrees.

Smallville now has 67% unemployment.
GNI has fallen to 330,000.
Gov't Revenues are down to 33,000
Gov't Expenditures are up to 67,000
Gov't now runs a loss of (34,000).

However the 33% that still have jobs can now buy both aah's and whoopdedos at 1/3 the cost that they could previously. They look down their noses at the 67% unemployed and think if gov't unemployment wasn't so generous these people would have jobs. They worry that their taxes are going to go up because of all the gov't red ink.

This is a simplified version of the economic warfare that China is waging against us.

Finally the last factory relocates to Sruyank. The gov't goes bankrupt and fails. A dictatorship is installed it begins to offer employees for $100 to other countries. The people can not afford to buy ooh's or aah's or whoopdedos. They look back on the days when they had money and could buy cheap aah's and whoopdedo's and blame their lazy countrymen for ruining everything.

133 posted on 11/18/2011 12:20:28 AM PST by DannyTN
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