“To offer a valid analogy, McQueary would be the guy who came and told you that one of *your*employees* had anally raped a child in *your* locker room the night before.”
Sandusky is not an employee of Paterno. Paterno was not told he was anally raping anyone. fondling was the term reported to Joe. Sandusky was not even working for Penn State in 2002, when Joe was informed of the events. Sandusky had retired in 1999 after 30 years at Penn State.
“No, you called your boss and told him that a credible employee had seen another employee raping a child. You ask him what he intends to do about it. If you are not satisfied with his answer, you state your intent to notify the police.”
Joe did call his boss and inform him of what a colleague had seen Sandusky doing. again, Sandusky was not an employee of the school.
state law mandates that upon notification of such events, police are to be notified. this is the question, did Curley notify the police or not.
“if a man of Joe Paterno’s stature showed up at the police station and said that he had a credible report of the rape of a child, they bleedin’ well *would* do something.”
the witness, mcqueary, would be the one to go to the cops. not the witness’s colleague.
“Start by refraining from acting like a pusillanimous coward.”
you go rambo! hey, there are drug dealers down your street. why haven’t you shot them yet? oh yea, something called the law
“So, if you don’t witness me stealing your car, the event is over, and I can just keep your car. Right?”
again, you fail to understand the fundamental difference between a witness, victim, and hearsay. if you stole a car, in this case it’d be some unknown neighbor’s car, and mcqueary witnessed it and told me about it. i then call the parking lot super to report it. then what? it’s not my car, i don’t even know who it belongs to.
“I don’t care if you’re a mid-eighties blind paraplegic. If you’re a man, you still take action. If there are things you can’t do, you get help. If you have Joe Paterno’s money, you can hire a private investigator. But if you don’t keep trying, you are the worst form of subhuman scum on the face of the earth.”
take action? gawd.. you’d be fun at a bar. i’d be messing with you watching you get into fights with people over stuff they supposedly said or did... but never had.
seriously, you do know there are drug dealers in your area selling crack to kids, right? why aren’t you out there killing them? every minute you waste online is another kid getting hooked on crack. it’s all your fault. you’ve been told. you know the stats. you know it’s happening... right now. if that acceptable to you? haven’t you called the cops yet? have you kept up on their anti-drug efforts? have you been ferreting out all the crack houses? yet they’re still there?? are you satisfied with kids on crack or are you a man of action? go now, rambo!
“You don’t have a gun?!”
nope. come in through the side window... it’s open.
“Pussy.”
gang lifestyle was used in place of homosexual lifestyle. sorry if the abstraction confused you.
“Face it: my posts show that I am applying reason.”
actually, you’re posts show me you’re mentally unstable and should probably seek counseling.
“Sandusky is not an employee of Paterno.”
The only reason he still had a relationship with the university was that he had been an employee of Paterno. Paterno was still responsible.
“Paterno was not told he was anally raping anyone. fondling was the term reported to Joe.”
Oh, you were there? I ask because the grand jury report does not agree with your version of events. Besides, since when is a grown man fondling a little boy something that can be overlooked?
“Sandusky was not even working for Penn State in 2002, when Joe was informed of the events. Sandusky had retired in 1999 after 30 years at Penn State.”
Is there no absurdity for which you will not grasp in the attempt to excuse this? Three years after retirement Sandusky still had a formal relationship with the university, because he had been an employee of Paterno. Paterno was still responsible for his having access to the university facilities.
All that said, this “not an employee any more” crap is just a red herring. Sandusky could have been a complete stranger, and Paterno would still have been responsible for taking action when he was informed that there was a child molester in his locker room.
“state law mandates that upon notification of such events, police are to be notified. this is the question, did Curley notify the police or not.”
No, that is a tertiary question at most. The primary question is did McQueary notify the police when Paterno failed to take adequate action, and the secondary question is did Paterno notify the police when Curley failed to.
You can’t shuck off a moral duty by notifying someone who fails to take action.
“the witness, mcqueary, would be the one to go to the cops. not the witness’s colleague.”
Everybody who knew about it had an inescapable moral duty to ensure that *someone* took proper action. If Curley failed to, it fell back on Paterno. If Paterno failed to, it fell back on McQueary. None of them has the slightest excuse.
“you go rambo! hey, there are drug dealers down your street. why haven’t you shot them yet? oh yea, something called the law”
Are you unaware that the law allows passers by to interrupt rapists? Nice try with the old false moral equivalence, there, Chauncy, but no cigar. That said, if we are ever walking down the street and see a rape in progress, I would advise you to put in some earplugs.
“again, you fail to understand the fundamental difference”
No, you again advance the same old invalid argument. Human beings have duties.
“if you stole a car, in this case it’d be some unknown neighbor’s car, and mcqueary witnessed it and told me about it. i then call the parking lot super to report it. then what? it’s not my car, i don’t even know who it belongs to.”
Gibberish. Sandusky, McQueary, and the locker room were all known to Paterno. Paterno knew that McQueary was credible. McQueary reported a heinous crime to Paterno, and Paterno had an absolute moral duty to follow up.
For you, apparently, a human child is no more important than somebody else’s car, and his rape can be shrugged off and forgotten just as easily. That is truly disgusting.
“take action? gawd.. you’d be fun at a bar. i’d be messing with you”
You don’t have the brains to “be messing” with anyone.
“seriously, you do know there are drug dealers in your area selling crack to kids, right? why aren’t you out there killing them…are you satisfied with kids on crack or are you a man of action? go now, rambo!”
Do you really imagine that you have made a point with that puerile nonsense? Just for the sake of a little light exercise, let’s look at some of the idiocies in that paragraph.
Firstly, you are saying that taking action when a child is being raped right in front of you is equivalent to “killing” people for crimes you did not witness. Dishonestly, you try to equate the words “take action” with the notion of homicide.
You are saying that if a man would interfere with the rape of a child he is the kind of lunatic who would go around the streets hunting and killing drug dealers, as opposed to calling the police if he identifies them. There you imply a lie. You imply the lie that a legal act of rendering assistance to a child is the moral equivalent of illegally “killing” drug dealers, and that a man who would do the first would do the second.
What kind of scum thinks that way?
Next you assert that there are drug dealers in my area selling crack to kids. Well, not all of us live in slums. I’ve never seen anyone selling drugs anywhere in this town, and yes, I’d see it if it were common. So, no: I don’t know it’s happening right now.
You ask if I haven’t called the cops yet to report drug sales. No, I have not reported any drug sales, because I haven’t witnessed any, or heard any credible reports of same.
You ask if I have kept up on anti-drug efforts? I have three kids in college, and two in grade school. Yes, I have kept up on anti-drug programs.
You ask if I have been ferreting out all the crack houses. No, but if I walked right up on one, like McQueary walked up on that rape, you can bet I would report it. And if the city police didn’t do anything, I’d try the county sheriff, and if they didn’t do anything I would speak with the governor. And if he wouldn’t speak to me, I’ll bet the media would.
“nope. come in through the side window... it’s open.”
You seem to have lost track of the fact that it is you who are arguing against morality and right reason. I don’t come through peoples’ windows. Interesting that your mind went right to that.
“gang lifestyle was used in place of homosexual lifestyle. sorry if the abstraction confused you.”
I guess I should explain to you that homosexuals are, by definition, not interested in what you imply. I used the word “pussy” to indicate a feline lack of fortitude.
But then, I don’t need to explain the practices of homosexuals to you, do I? After all, I know them only at second hand.
“actually, you’re posts show me you’re mentally unstable and should probably seek counseling.”
Well, I’m stable enough to write a note without losing my ability to spell, capitalize, and punctuate, and without forgetting, for instance, that “you’re” is the contraction of “you” and “are,” and not the possessive form of the pronoun “you.”
I am also stable enough to restrain myself from staggering into crazy town and coming out with idiotic false moral equivalencies that hold assistance to a raped child as on the same moral plane with illegally killing drug dealers. I can look at the phrase, “take action,” without wandering into a fever swamp in which that could never mean “break up the rape” and “call the police,” but can only mean going on a “killing” spree.
I’m done with you for now. I think you are (a) a leftist and (b) suffering from same-sex attraction disorder. While I pity you and hope you get treatment for both disorders, I see no reason why I should get that stuff all over myself.