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Left persists in rail mania
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | November 12, 2011 | Editorial

Posted on 11/12/2011 2:07:57 PM PST by Graybeard58

Liberal editorial boards crack us up sometimes. Last week, the California High Speed Rail Authority announced its much ballyhooed super-fast choo-choo from San Francisco to Los Angeles, in the works for at least 15 years, is going to cost $98.5 billion and will be up and running by 2033. When taxpayers approved the project just three years ago, the authority pegged the cost at a mere $33 billion, with service beginning in 2020.

Gee, a government project coming in way over budget and way behind schedule. Who could have known? Newspaper editorialists, for one. Still, in response to the news, The San Francisco Chronicle wags praised the authority — "High-speed rail plan on right track" — for its "business plan that is decidedly more pragmatic, realistic and transparent than anything Californians had been presented to date." This after admitting: "None of the rail authority's numbers should be treated as gospel."

Amen to that. Recall how in 1998, Connecticut's Department of Transportation announced a $75.3 million plan for a busway connecting Hartford and New Britain. Had the DOT adhered to its original timetable, the buses would have rolled no later than 2005. Well, 2005 came and went, but by then, the cost was up to $337 million, on its way to $458 million in 2006, with the completion date pushed back to 2012.

Now it's up to $573 million, or almost eight times the 1998 estimate, with the ambitious goal of 2,500 new daily roundtrip riders; that works out to $229,200 each. The busway now is supposed to open in 2014, but that deadline is predicated on construction beginning this year, which it won't. For one thing, the state expects the federal government to pay $458 million, but to date the feds have committed only $54 million. Likewise, they have made only a $4.3 billion down payment on the California high-speed rail project, and the feds' share recently zoomed to $79 billion. And for California, Connecticut and the feds, these underestimates are just the initiation fees; cost overruns, ever-escalating annual operating subsidies far into the future, graft and hundreds of millions or billions in interest payments will inflate costs well beyond today's unaffordable levels.

With the costs of these projects as well as the billion-dollar-plus Rell Railroad through the heart of Connecticut spiraling out of control, taxpayers ought to be alarmed, but doubly so since government transit planners, cheered by reflexive liberal editorialists who never met a green elephant they couldn't ride, remain committed to these and countless other projects even as prospects for promised or imagined federal funding diminish by the day.

As it is, the Obama administration has pledged only $53 billion for high-speed rail projects across America as part of the government's 10-year transportation plan. So even in the highly unlikely event House Republicans agree put a small fraction of that amount into the bill, Connecticut and California will be left to choose between assuming a far greater share of construction and operational costs or finding more sensible and less expensive ways of dealing with highway congestion. Considering both states technically are insolvent, the latter is far and away the more prudent alternative.


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1 posted on 11/12/2011 2:07:57 PM PST by Graybeard58
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2 posted on 11/12/2011 2:08:25 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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3 posted on 11/12/2011 2:09:05 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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I guess all these LIB-train-loving fools just can't resist the idea of traveling by subsidized train and singing in a hootenanny with passengers they don't know as they travel. Sounds like fun. Just how much would a ticket from LA to SF cost (with subsidies)?????? Probably several thousand each so these 19th century Luddites can enjoy their train.
4 posted on 11/12/2011 2:20:05 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

I rode on a train in 1963, from St. Louis, Mo. to San Antonio, Texas, a day and a half trip. That was all the train I needed for a life time.


5 posted on 11/12/2011 2:23:21 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Graybeard58
The Amtrak on the eastern corridor has lost money every year.

Why in the world would be building more in less populous areas.

6 posted on 11/12/2011 2:33:06 PM PST by scooby321
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To: hal ogen
I guess all these LIB-train-loving fools just can't resist the idea of traveling by subsidized train and singing in a hootenanny with passengers they don't know as they travel.

My thoughts are pretty close to yours. It occurred to me that liberals love the idea of all of us traveling together -- just not on a plane. That makes First Class too crowded for them.

7 posted on 11/12/2011 2:36:53 PM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Graybeard58
So even in the highly unlikely event House Republicans agree put a small fraction of that amount into the bill, Connecticut and California will be left to choose between assuming a far greater share of construction and operational costs or finding more sensible and less expensive ways of dealing with highway congestion.

Which is exactly what New Jersey and Governor Christie ended up doing. The money just is not there. Great editorial.

8 posted on 11/12/2011 2:45:03 PM PST by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: Graybeard58
In 1962 I rode the Denver Zephyr from Cleveland to Denver, then the Texas Zephyr to Taos New Mexico. It was a fabulous trip and the sights were something to behold, especially through southern Colorado. Of course I wasn't in some kind of all fired hurry back then, just enjoyed the leisurely pace and the new sights and sounds. I do recall we hit 100 mph through Iowa and Nebraska, which was at night anyway so we didn't miss much.
9 posted on 11/12/2011 2:45:47 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: denydenydeny

OK, so realistically, someone would drive to the train station in SF, get to LA, and then they’d have to take a VERY expensive taxi ride anywhere they wanted to go. Then take another very expensive taxi ride back to the station. Downtown LA is quite far from anywhere of interest. It is NOT like NYC, where you can walk most everywhere, or grab a subway. This makes NO sense economically for a person to even WANT to take this train. Taking a plane would be much more convenient, faster, and cheaper.


10 posted on 11/12/2011 3:12:58 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Graybeard58

It’s a patronage pit for the Unions, nothing more. All under the guise of Railroad construction.


11 posted on 11/12/2011 3:20:14 PM PST by SteelToe
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I’ve always kind of wondered. Does anybody know how long it took to build the transcontinental railroad, how much it cost, and who paid for it?


12 posted on 11/12/2011 3:35:13 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: hinckley buzzard
In 1962 I rode the Denver Zephyr from Cleveland to Denver, then the Texas Zephyr to Taos New Mexico.

I've always contended the best way to travel is a good train.

The worst way to travel is a bad one.

13 posted on 11/12/2011 3:42:53 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: dsrtsage
Does anybody know how long it took to build the transcontinental railroad, how much it cost, and who paid for it?

First Transcontinental Railroad

14 posted on 11/12/2011 3:55:29 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: hal ogen
I guess all these LIB-train-loving fools just can't resist the idea of traveling by subsidized train and singing in a hootenanny with passengers they don't know as they travel.

Some of them *do* like that. But I've talked to others who love the idea of public transit--as long as they don't have to use it themselves.

15 posted on 11/12/2011 3:58:22 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Graybeard58
Really, it is a simple thing to figure out.

They can't move the 40 and 8's fast enough to get everyone to camp with the current system.

If it isn't faster, people might figure out what is going on...in time to do something about it.

16 posted on 11/12/2011 4:06:04 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: okie01

Thanks for the link. Soooo, looks like a railroad line about 10 times as long across wilderness, very large mountain ranges, crossing large rivers, and deserts, without the benefit of modern machinery to carve out tunnels, build bridges, and cut mountainsides, was completed in 6 years, with private money plus government bonds, (and government land grants...but, not like anybody owned 99% of that land back then, so no eminant domain), with labor shortages because of the civil war to boot. But 30 years and one hundred and eleventy billion dollars for a rail line that nodody will use is pretty impressive


17 posted on 11/12/2011 4:11:43 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: dsrtsage
But 30 years and one hundred and eleventy billion dollars for a rail line that nobody will use is pretty impressive.

Only government could do this, you understand...

The private sector is simply incapable of undertaking a task like this...

18 posted on 11/12/2011 4:26:01 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

lol.

Only government can waste massive amounts of cash on stupid endeavors that will never be worth the price.

True that.


19 posted on 11/12/2011 4:42:16 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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20 posted on 11/12/2011 4:47:15 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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