Rossi E-Cat Sales Web Site Goes Live

http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/ ^ | 11/11/2011 | Self

[Johnny B.]

E-Cat Technology by Andrea Rossi of Leonardo Corporation

[count-your-change]

Myself. I'm grateful to Rossi and Company. Amidst all the depressing talk of monetary crisis and political street theater along comes “The Saga of Kalorie Kitty or How I Turned Hot Water into Gold”.

No one could make up a story like the one we see unfolding before us. I love it!

[Johnny B.]

Rossi has said the “fuel” was doped with Ni-62 and Ni-64, neither difficult to obtain

Do you have any sources for this? I have been unable to find any actual pricing information for enriched isotopes of Nickel and Copper, other than a single comment that enriched Nickel in the 10+ grams needed for an E-Cat device would cost hundreds-of-thousands of dollars.

[count-your-change]

Give me a few. I’ll check again.

[PapaBear3625]

Come to think of it, there aren't too many houses that need a 1 MW plant. Ooops.

Houses, no. Apartment buildings, hotels, office buildings, yes.

There are also district heating systems (Manhattan, NY has one) where steam is distributed through underground pipes from a central plant to individual buildings. If it can reliably deliver mild steam cheaply, it still would be damn useful.

[PapaBear3625]

Another interesting fact is that when I first became aware of the eCat, Rossi was hyping it as the next great energy revolution. It was going to make all other energy generation technology obsolete—in fact, Rossi was all but urging the immediate dismantling of all power plants. Now, according to the Leonardo website, it’s only being sold as a heater. I sense that Rossi is very sensitive to the criticisms, and tries to change his story accordingly.

According to Rossi, getting it to the point of reliably running hot enough to make steam at turbine temperatures is a couple of years away. It would make a lot of sense to sell it as a heater in the meanwhile.

[count-your-change]

Here is a supplier of nickel isotopes but like many companies they publish prices online:
ISOFLEX Stable Isotopes | isoflex.com
www.isoflex.com/isotopes

and if you google “e-cat reactor Ni-62, Ni-64” it will take you to “Next Big Future” page.

Not much but it’s a start. More in a few minutes.

[Johnny B.]

About as accurate as everything else you've posted (which is to say....not at all). David Passerini also "broke" that news.

Source?

What I've found is this: http://ecatnews.com/?p=1269 which has a link which just points back to Allan's blog post.

Having one unsubstantiated claim by Allan being reposted in other blogs does not make it substantiated.

I see that this blog also had a story about National Instruments buying an E-Cat from Rossi, which turned out to be false.

[count-your-change]

I’m not finding actual costs but since these are stable and not exceedingly rare isotopes the cost of a milligram or two might not be prohibitive. After all, how many samples of “spent fuel” have been provided?

[Johnny B.]

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, none of the suppliers seem to be willing to publicly quote their prices, and I haven't reached the point where I'm willing to pretend being a customer in order to get a quote.

While looking for an "original" source for all the quotes about the isotope analysis of Rossi's used "fuel", I came across this statement by Rossi that really caught my attention:

3- Ni 59 doesn’t exist. It is a typo. We buy regular Ni powder, then we make a treatment of it wich changes the isotopical composition. In that paper I referred to the powder as we buy it, not to the composition of the powder after the treatment we make. In any case, the composition of Ni, as we buy it, is well known: 58 (67,88%), 60 (26,23%), 61 (1,19%), 62 (3,66%), 64 (1,08%). After that, we change it.

According to this, Rossi is buying "natural" Nickel, then "treating" it to produce different isotopes.

That strikes me as remarkable as his claims for the E-Cat. Is he really transmuting Nickel into different isotopes? How would he go about doing that? Does he have a nuclear fission reactor in his kitchen? Does anyone know of a reaction that takes "natural" Nickel and produces "unnatural" Nickel (differing isotope ratios) without also producing other, obvious byproducts of nuclear fission?

[Johnny B.]

but since these are stable and not exceedingly rare isotopes the cost of a milligram or two might not be prohibitive.

They may be stable and not exceedingly rare, but as far as I know, separating them out is an expensive proposition (but if anyone has any references to the contrary, I would love to see them).

This would be the same process that various countries around the world are spending huge amounts of money to try to develop, in order to enrich Uranium and Plutonium for use in nuclear bombs.

If Rossi has developed a method of doing this in his kitchen, it would be a bigger breakthrough than a box that produces a small amount of hot water with a bit of steam.

[Toddsterpatriot]

That strikes me as remarkable as his claims for the E-Cat. Is he really transmuting Nickel into different isotopes? How would he go about doing that?

When the nickel "fuses" with the hydrogen, a new isotope (or element) is created.

[Johnny B.]

When the nickel "fuses" with the hydrogen, a new isotope (or element) is created.

I'm not talking about the operation of the E-Cat. I'm talking about Rossi's claim about preparing his "catalyst". Rossi is claiming that he is, somehow, enriching certain isotopes of Nickel before it is suitable to be used in the E-Cat.

Note that although he claims to have "enhanced" Nickel, the reports of the analysis of his "before" and "after" fuel samples showed no signs of unusual isotopes or elements. They only showed the natural isotope ratios of both Nickel and Copper, which is what we would expect if there were no nuclear processes occurring.

As far as I know, Rossi has not released the actual report, which is typical of him. It would go a long way toward proving or disproving Rossi's claims.

[count-your-change]

I think what the uranium enrichment so difficult was that it was in the form of a gas that had to be put through nearly endless cycles of a centrifuge to separate the various weights of material.
How the stable nickel isotopes would be obtained I don't know.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Another silly claim by Rossi.

[Johnny B.]

HERE is the Wikipedia article on the subject.

There are several methods of enriching specific isotopes, but none of them are something you could do in your kitchen.

[count-your-change]

I can’t find a price online. Anyway, the truth is oozing out about this “world changing technology” so we’ll have to wait a bit for the next twist in the story.

Stay tuned folks, it gets better....really it does.

[count-your-change]

Thanks. Now I know more about isotopes than I ever really wanted to. Can’t we just go back to the e-cat and really, really try to believe?

[dinodino]

My guess is that as soon as you pull the plug on the heating elements, the “heat generation” stops.

Wouldn’t it make more sense for Rossi, rather than selling some really expensive water heaters, to actually complete his tech with the goal of power generation, and then realize huge commercial potential? Oh, wait—he can’t do that, because THE WHOLE THING IS A HUGE SCAM.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Source?"

Passerini's blog. Look it up.

22 passi.

"Having one unsubstantiated claim by Allan being reposted in other blogs does not make it substantiated."

Sorry. Your "assumption" is wrong. It wasn't a re-post, but an independent verification. And if you had spent less time on your "Randi" threads, and more actually learning the background of this whole story, you would know that Danielle Passerini is a personal friend of Guiseppe Levi, who often "breaks" primary information about the E-Cat.

And NOT on Rossi's payroll.

He didn't break the story before Allan, because Allan had been promised priority on the scoop, but he confirmed it VERY shortly afterwards.

[exDemMom]

According to Rossi, getting it to the point of reliably running hot enough to make steam at turbine temperatures is a couple of years away. It would make a lot of sense to sell it as a heater in the meanwhile.

I've a feeling that the power generation capacity is always going to be just a year or so off.