I've been thinking the same thing.
Oh, you mean like what happened to this fine chap :
The tenacious D.A. that was investigating Sandusky; - who suddenly decided to go AWOL, - and hasn't been seen from in six years...?
Say 'hello' to Ray Gricar.
Posted on 11/10/2011 11:02:18 AM PST by reformjoy
So what?
It’s not a strawman arguement, it’s the whole point of the article, which names the names and gives example. There are plenty who are trying to pin this all on Joe. Find the scapegoat, make it go away.
Why? Were they in on it too? Don’t want it to get bigger, implicate more people? Keep us distracted on the symbol, the figurehead? Joe got hung on his own petard...he lost his job. There are others that need long jail sentences and the death penalty.
I don’t know why that is so lost on this board.
You cannot intimidate famous people into silence with threats of physical violence - all Paterno would need to do is go to the press and then any hint of violence against him would ensure the intimidator was finished.
The only way to intimidate famous people into silence is by threatening to expose things they do not want exposed.
“I want to make clear that if Paterno knew as much as he could/should have known and truly did nothing more than is currently known about his efforts to stop Sandusky’s reign of terror, then he is getting off easy. But, as is occasionally mentioned even on ESPN, we simply don’t know that yet.”
Really??? Because Joe Pa’s own Grand Jury testimony and statements about the event pretty much confirm he did nothing more than is currently known about this situation, at least in terms of what he should have done. Whether or not he covered up for Sandusky back in the late 90s when the original investigation into allegations happened is yet to be seen.
This guys in dream land if he thinks Joe Pa has been unjustly fired. Yes, in credit to his lifetime of work at PSU it would have been nice to let him retire, and save face, but there was no way, with what he has admitted to in regards to this, that PSU could let that happen.. I’m sure the board would have liked to, but even the board has to know that they were facing being absolutely shut off from alumni and foundation money overnight if they held onto Joe Pa through the season.
Joe Pa wasn’t the only one let go, and won’t be the last. It is sad that this is how his career will end, but you cannot excuse allowing abuse to go on just because you win football games.
Honestly I think there is way way way more to this story, the fact Sandusky could walk into a school and take a child out without parental consent at will tells me there is a WHOLE lot more to this that hasn’t even hit yet. For that to happen, folks in the school had to be complicite.. likely folks in the Police and DA office had to be complicit... The sheer scope of what looks like was going on up there in State College, seems to be pointing to me anyway that Sandusky may not have been a lone wolf, but that a larger subculture of pedophiles protecting and feeding their own exists there.
Indeed it is.
No one is saying that Paterno and Paterno alone should be the scapegoat.
All of his critics are saying that this should be investigated no matter where it goes and that Paterno should not just get off the hook because he's won a bunch of games.
When you say that his critics want to "hang it all on Joe" you are arguing against a straw man.
Paterno either knew what was going on at some level (perhaps not the heinous nature of the acts) or he was shielded from knowing by the football-first mentality that exists in Happy Valley.
Either way, it was a culture that had to come to an immediate end. This action won't ease the pain of the children who were victimized, but not taking action most certainly would have added to their pain, IMO.
I've been thinking the same thing.
Oh, you mean like what happened to this fine chap :
The tenacious D.A. that was investigating Sandusky; - who suddenly decided to go AWOL, - and hasn't been seen from in six years...?
Say 'hello' to Ray Gricar.
“Joe Paterno’s quite limited role”
LIMITED ROLE????
You find out someone is having sex with underage boys in your showers, and you just tell your boss and move on... LIMITED? His inaction (and the inaction of others) in this situation lead to at least 8-9 more years of abuse going on!
Frankly I suspect Joe was well aware of Sandusky from at least the late 90s and He and PSU helped cover it up back during that investigation.
LIMITED ROLE, please. Joe Pa, played the game, he covered his butt legally and washed his hands... Yes, he’s the highest profile head up there at PSU, but he isn’t the first nor will he be the last gone over this.
You are told boys are being sexually molested and you don’t call the cops?? Come on.
The things that went on up there, both on PSU campus and off, show me this is bigger than PSU. It also makes me wonder if Sandusky is a lone wolf or not, the more that comes out, the more I think we are looking at a possible subculture of pedophiles at work up there in “happy valley”.
I’m not hearing that. The commentary I’m hearing and reading is all focused on Joe. Keep that spotlight on him. The media wants to take him down and let the rats scurry away. It stinks.
Whatever Joe gets, those above him deserve 10X worse. Joe is gone, he got his. There seems to be no desire to turn that spotlight on to anyone else far more deserving. They don’t want to seem to move on. Until I see that I remain very skeptical of anyone who’s still ranting about Joe. There’s alot of people out there willing to protect a potential pedophile ring for some reason.
I don’t know all the facts of the case so I am keeping my power dry. But I have read that Joe retired (fired) the perp years ago. However it was Penn States’ policy (not Joes’) to allow him use of university facilities. I have also read that Joe was told the perp was “horsing around” in the shower with a kid (not raping) and Joe reported it. That is what I have read, not sure if it is true. Someone screwed up big time, maybe a few someones I just have not figured out who yet. Could be Joe, I just do not know who YET. But I do not trust the media to report the story fairly and accurately just yet.
He hasn't gotten his. Paterno deserves to die in prison.
Morally, he is just as guilty as his superiors, not 10% as guilty as his superiors.
So be it.
It isn’t the media at fault here, it is those who covered up a crime!
“we still don’t know for sure what exactly, if anything, Joe Paterno actually did or didn’t do in order to suddenly get fired after 61 years of incredible service to a university he almost literally built.”
We know for sure he didn’t go to the cops, and that’s enough for me.
Try EVERYONE hiding the truth, but espically Paterno, who had the most power on campus and did nothing!
Me too. What I do know is that the grand jury pointed a great deal of the blame to Curley and Schultz, JoePa’s superiors. They had knowledge of things well beyond the others and deliberately disobeyed the law in not reporting it.
Curley, Schultz and Wadell the univ./2nd Mile lawyer are at the center of all this. they’re the ones who need the scrutiny right now. JoePa is gone and until we hear more there is nothing to be accomplished with a continued spotlight unless someone wants to distract from the others.
“I’ll wager a months pay that Paterno will not be with us a year from now. That’s what happens in cases like this.”
Ancient hyperachievers like Paterno, and plenty of regular joes too, die quickly after retiring anyway. He wasn’t lasting too many more seasons had he been able to pick his own retirement, either. If he does die from shame, though, it’ll be his own fault, not ESPN’s.
I absolutely don’t see it that way, and the grand jury didn’t see it that way either. The facts of the case don’t bear that out.
What a load. What Paterno admitted under oath to in the Grand Jury report is enough for him to be fired immediately.
“Whatever Joe gets, those above him deserve 10X worse”
I don’t get this notion that Joepa has superiors. He is a God on that campus. Grand high football poobahs like him run their own imperium in imperios. Do you really think some paper-pushing academic bureaucrat in the athletic department has more responsibility than him? Ha!
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