Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier

AP/Newser.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Genaro C. Armas

[Colofornian]

Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.

One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...

[Twink]

Ihave.

[Cvengr]

Discerning between homosexuality and pederasty misidentifies the thinking of the homosexual mind. Most sexual deviants deny their perversions are identifiable with criminal activity.

One reason IMHO Obama is a homosexual has been his response to homosexual teaching to minors with comments such as, “after the first time, it isn’t as bad”, or words to that effect.

IMHO, it wouldn’t surprise me if this wasn’t a regular form of hazing at Penn State. Paterno never has struck me as possessing virtue to rise above such activity in his midst. I never have really shared or understood the public adulation of his person, except assuming it is by associating winning records in sports scores with his popularity and not thinking more about it.

Reading the culture from afar, I also wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t the tip of the iceberg, for such a cultural icon to be relieved so quickly within and by the same culture.

[Twink]

I don’t wonder why people are angry. Don’t know where you got that. I just wish people were angry at the right people for the right reasons.

Paterno and Penn State will be the newest scapegoat and the real problems won’t ever be addressed.

[Free Vulcan]

It has everything to do that Sandusky was retired v. still coaching. In the second Paterno has authority, in the first he doesn’t. Sandusky was retired. Why was Paterno supposed to follow up? It was his bosses jobs to follow up. He did his job to direct the grad student to his bosses. That’s about all you can do.

I know from experience that you have no right to follow up after that as it becomes a private and confidential matter and his superiors couldn’t have told him jack anyway about Sandusky, a reporter, or anyone else not working under Joe. Joe didn’t have a right to know and their lawyers would have been emphatic on that point, including Paterno talking to McQueary. That’s how it rolls today in today’s over-litigated world.

Employers have policies now. Like it or not that’s the way it is. Where I’ve worked I’ve been specifically instructed NOT to call the police but report it to my boss - or lose my job. And also to talk about it to no one. As politically correct as universities are, don’t you think it might be somewhat the same there?

The second the grad student told Curley it became an investigation, whether anyone investigated or not. They chose to do nothing and stifled any inquiry, breaking the law in the process. And, the grad student was the SECOND employee to report Sandusky molesting the same kid. They immediately killed the investigation both times. I’d say the majority of blame is heaped on Curley and Shultz.

In your mind it was cover up because Paterno waited 24 hours. But was it in Joe’s mind? Was there intent and motive. He may have thought he was doing the right thing. I’ve seen some of the nicest people do the most well-intentioned things that were absolutely wrong and never know it - to the point of giving McQueary a promotion because he in Joe Pa’s mind did the right thing and was a stand up guy. I don’t see an insidious conspiracy by Paterno here.

I’m not saying Paterno is blameless, but in the end he’s incidental. Curley, Shultz, and university cops share the bulk of the blame for enabling Sandusky because alot of Sandusky’s actions were going on outside of Paterno’s circle of influence. It wasn’t like Paterno was the gatekeeper here - Curley and Shultz were.

[buccaneer81]

How naive were you to use that as a screen name?

[dixiechick2000]

“A sad day for Penn State - but it pales in comparison to the lives of the children who will continue to suffer.”

You took the words right out of my mouth...or, rather, off of my keyboard.

I hope the kids at Penn State will take the time to find out exactly how all of this transpired. If they do, there won’t be any more rallies/protests.

The bloom will be off of their rose.

[Twink]

Very lol! I had no idea. And, I wasn’t sheltered or anything like that.

I had no clue about homosexual terms. My screenname is a take on a nickname my brothers gave me back when I was a kid. Twinkle of Daddy’s eye, Twinkles, Twinks, Twink, etc.

I learned what the term meant on here.

[Twink]

Bite me. That basketball coach stood up for her beliefs and her players and refused to allow anyone, including the media, to dictate how PC her program was. She was fired for it and the media vilified her for it.

You are a moron.

[Twink]

Bite me. That basketball coach stood up for her beliefs and her players and refused to allow anyone, including the media, to dictate how PC her program was. She was fired for it and the media vilified her for it.

You are a moron.

[PieterCasparzen]

The players aren’t to blame for any of this. They’ve been in the program for their college years. Their season is going to suffer for this by no fault of their own. There are many victims in this.

If Sandusky had been prosecuted for the first offense (today's players were in elementary school at the time) the issue would be long since over for the school.

Paterno, the President of the university - and probably a TON of others are going to be fired, have civil lawsuits by the bushel and possibly even criminal actions against them and certainly going to have all the headaches of being witnesses for years to come because they helped Sandusky avoid prosecution. It's the hiding that everyone else did that made it an enormous problem for the University. The prosecution of the first rape, in and of itself, would have been microscopic by comparison in it's effect on the school and everyone else involved, since the rapes at the school would have been limited to - ONE. The news story would have been about just one bad apple, Sandusky, and lasted a few weeks. The reputation of the whole athletic program and University would have been spared. Sandusky would have found new dance partners in government housing.

Now, thousands of Penn State students are rioting on a "school night" - demonstrating the big pile of crap that colleges in America have become. Far too many students are morally bankrupt boobs - who would a) riot to support their b) football program run by a man who c) is over 80 and refused to retire in 2004 when asked to because he is so insanely dedicated to "the school" and his "program" that is so important in teaching students "ethics, morals, etc." and now we find that he has transformed over the years into a man so blinded by his fixation on his "program" and "football" and "the kids" that he has for 12 years been helping many other people to protect his former coach, a child molester, from prosecution all the while the child molester continued to molest at times on the university premisis. Like a dying drunk begging for a last drink, the students, inebriated on the mystique of the Penn State football program, now d) chant they want 1 more game this Saturday for this fallen head coach. Mind you, they e) express almost no acknowledgement of the rape victims of the child molester as if seeing Paterno coach this Saturday's game for the last time renders the boys who were raped irrelevant. The rapes were truly a non-event to many of those students. This is utterly beyond the pale, as it is apparent that if Paterno was the perpetrator they would have had the EXACT same reaction as they did tonight. Zombies in a football-watching trance 24x7. And immersed in school spirit, cheerleading, parties, friends, pop music, demonstrations, rioting, ows, sex, drugs and whatever else the kids are into today. Immersed in everything but morals and a sound education. They are great at missing the point, immorality and hero-worship.

I think this provides an excellent window on the state of the brainwashing that their professors routinely achieve with them. In 2008 when one went to vote for Obama, the whole herd followed. They can graduate now, they're completely useless to themselves but useful idiots for the left wing.

[Twink]

Not a chance. They are against the media and I hope they continue. They support Paterno because they know what the media is trying and most likely succeeding in doing. They know the media won’t address the real issue.

[dixiechick2000]

So, you are saying that Paterno was fired without cause?

What is the real issue?

[Havisham]

Do you really believe this uproar is mere overreaction? It is ALL in response to the grand jury report. You are going to feel completely stupid.

[Amerikan_Samurai]

I’m glad they fired that old coot. Old codger still had the arrogance to believe he could leave on his own terms. Senile Jackass.

[Havisham]

We DO KNOW. Grand jury report, airhead.

[Straight Vermonter]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[little jeremiah]

So many of the same people who cry out about the foul criminality implicit in this situation, overwhelmingly take an attitude of ‘get over it’, regarding the decriminalization of homosexuality.

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I haven’t noticed that but you could send me a list! Anyone accepting the normalization of homosexuality better get used to sexual crimes against boys, since they’ve been known for that throughout recorded history.

[dixiechick2000]

“It is ALL in response to the grand jury report. You are going to feel completely stupid.”

This is for Twink’s edification.

BTW, jmo, but I’ve always been fond of the saying, “The buck stops here.”

[little jeremiah]

You’re helping the enablers. To you, homosexual rape of little boys “hurts them” and “disturbs their lives” and the real villains on this thread are people like me who are livid with rage and disgust that so many people knew about this and did nothing.

You’re sickening and vile and I don’t see any reason to respond to you again.

I hope in the morning to find that you’ve been zotted.

[MEG33]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2011/1107/espn_e_Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

Grand Jury

I read it and wonder how many more victims there are of unreported incidents of child molestation/rape.

Sandusky had a lot of years and opportunities.