Mostly in western Ohio, where I live. :)
Truth be told, lots of those conservatives belong to police anf fire unions (and the UAW, etc). The Ohio GOP overreached when they passed SB5, and made the fatal error of including police and fire unions in the reforms; had they been left out of the changes (like in Wisconsin), this referendum would never have made the ballot.
Ignore the Lefty gloating; these reforms will be back, probably early next year, and will be passed one-by-one, which will make them much harder to repeal. In the meantime, we prepare for battle (and they can look forward to layoffs).
this is what I said much more bluntly and crude in my last post,sorry.
Correct. Teachers used to be insulated in the same way, but not anymore. Including police and firefighters was a massive tactical error, despite being true. In politics only winning counts.
Thank you for that, TonyInOhio. At first, I wasn't looking forward to the news but seeing that Obamacare got dusted here makes me somewhat glad. As far as coming back and passing this law in increments, that's what I'm hoping Kasich and company will do because, while polling showed that people wanted SB5 repealed, when they were asked about the individual items (employees paying more for their pensions and health care, etc.), many voters supported those in high margins. So, yeah, start the next session by passing this puppy piecemeal and let's see if voters will vote to repeal it then.
God bless you and all conservative voters in western Ohio! :-)
Truth be told, lots of those conservatives belong to police anf fire unions (and the UAW, etc). The Ohio GOP overreached when they passed SB5, and made the fatal error of including police and fire unions in the reforms; had they been left out of the changes (like in Wisconsin), this referendum would never have made the ballot.
I just learned this earlier tonight (re: the police and fire unions being included in the reforms) via Charles Krauthammer on Fox News. (I don't know if this was discussed last week... I'm a bit out of the loop - we had a horrific freak snowstorm last week here in Connecticut, we had no power for a full week.)
Ignore the Lefty gloating; these reforms will be back, probably early next year, and will be passed one-by-one, which will make them much harder to repeal. In the meantime, we prepare for battle (and they can look forward to layoffs).
Thank you for this most interesting post, Tony. You've given me hope regarding Ohio voters. Do you have any idea if Ohio will go for Obama in 2012? Unlike my state (The People's Republik of Connecticut), your state is definitely going to be one to watch in 2012...
Check out TonyInOhio’s excellent post in #37...
Everything I’ve read confirms that you’re right. Wisconsin did it the smart way, that’s why the fleebaggers left the state, they knew with police and fire fighters exempted the bill would pass. I hope Ohio regroups and gets this passed next year, as that will still provide most of the benefits while having drained millions from the unions in what will then be for little gain.
SB5 was bad in two ways:
1. It overreached
2. It wasn’t “sold” to the people
Pass the provisions one by one, starting with the ones that have the most popular support. Some of the individual provisions had well over 50% support even though the bill as a whole did not.