Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.
The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.
Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.
At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.
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His coworkers express to him their fear of being fired if he reported it.
The janitor who saw it was a temp. Why would he be that afraid of Paterno?
What you have here is not an example of Paterno's evil omnipotence but of people choosing not to get involved.
OK, he told his supervisor and his supervisor told him that IF he wanted to report it where to report it.
Nobody wanted to report it for fear of losing their jobs.
The guy who saw this did not make a report because he was afraid of losing his temporary job. He did not make the report because he didn't want to get involved.
Yes, that's an assumption.
And it's a whole lot smarter of an assumption than claiming Paterno would have fired the entire janitorial staff because they contacted police regarding the behavior of someone who it appears Paterno had lost his fondness for.
Obviously he did since he neither encouraged the report to be made nor made a report himself.
Who made that assumption/claim?
Well, we know that Sandusky still had an office in the Athletic building until Sunday (at least, he was still in the campus directory) and had access to the athletic building - even if perhaps keys to the showers were taken away. We know he was hosting sleepover camps at a Penn State facility through 2008.
We know that the GJ documents we are reading list eight victims, but by last night authorities had identified twenty.
We know that Curley told that GJ that there was no way of policing Sandusky bringing boys on campus after 2002.
Let's see if any of the additional twelve . . . or any more to surface . . . involve Penn State property, like the weight room. And let's wonder about all of the boys since 2002 that we don't know about, and who wouldn't have been around Sandusky had everyone done the moral thing and some not just the "I did the bare minimum i was required to do legally, so don't look at me" things.
I don't think we're remotely in the clear to say nothing happened after 2002.
Only an idiot would have to think that JoePa could have intimidated the janitorial staff into not making that report. So you, not being an idiot, would not think that, right?
And to say that any did is making an assumption based on supposition.
We know he was hosting sleepover camps at a Penn State facility through 2008.
You mean the Second Mile camps?
Only an idiot would have to think that JoePa could have intimidated the janitorial staff into not making that report. So you, not being an idiot, would not think that, right?
You are losing it. Relax. You don't have the power to save Paterno. He is already gone.
His keys were taken away the day the indictments were made public.
I just pointed out that only an idiot would think Paterno would have intimidated the janitors into not making the report.
Generally, pedophiles don't stop. Sandusky may not have used Penn State facilities again. But they would certainly be an enticing place for young boys. And Sandusky used them at least twice in 1998, and once in 2000, and once in 2002, of which we know. And he didn't get into trouble. Maybe he decided it was too risky after that. But, heck, it was a big draw for him, and he certainly wasn't suffering much from using them. And pedophiles don't stop. So I'm happy to make an assumption that we're not remotely in the clear to say that none of these twelve new boys involved Penn State.
You mean the Second Mile camps?
The ESPN article described them as "youth athletic camps" held by the Sandusky Foundation.
Are you paid to defend Paterno and Penn State, or is this just a crusade?
I think there's a possibility that keys to the showers, but only the showers, were taken away in 2002. I don't have the stomach to go back through the GJ presentment and GJ findings.
You and others are claiming Paterno willfully turned a blind eye to this abuse. Your argument is basically that Paterno knows everything so if he wanted to stop it he could have.
You and others are saying or implying that Paterno is escaping prosecution solely in return for his testimony.
Your saying that Paterno could have kept Sandusky from using the facilities despite the fact he had a contracted right to use them.
You seem to be saying that he turned the investigation over the A.D. because he knew they would cover it up.
No, I'm not defending Penn State. In fact, I think it's a crap school. But I do think there are a group of self-righteous blowhards out looking to destroy a basically decent guy regardless of what the facts are. I think it's OK to point that out.
And you seem to be implying that Paterno had some kind of influence with the Sandusky Foundation.
Why do you think that?
No. But Penn State shouldn't have allowed its athletic facilities to be used by Sandusky for sleepover camps until 2008. And I respected Joe Paterno enough until Monday to believe that he would know when his friend of 43 years (by 2008), who had an issue with small boys, was holding these camps.
Let me rephrase everything, because my posts appear to petty at this point.
Joe Paterno wasn't just a coach. Joe Paterno was a moral authority figure. Joe Paterno spent his career working with 'young men." They were boys when he started recruiting them - 17 or 18 - and 19 when he went into living rooms and told parents that they could trust him and Penn State to take care of their sons. Joe Paterno wasn't just a coach. He was a father figure, and then a grandfather figure. He ruled the NCAA with moral authority, not legal authority.
Sportscaster, average citizens, and football fans felt something in his presence because of his moral decency and his statements on morals.
But when it came time to protect preteen boys, in 1998, or 1999, or 2000, or 2002 - boys who hadn't signed a letter of intent - Joe's compass was no longer a moral compass. His excuse was "I did the bare legal minimum, and then I didn't worry about what happened to the boys." If anyone had the moral authority, or could generate the moral outrage, to stop what happened, to find out what was happening, and to prevent it from happening on Penn State property - much less in the football showers - it was Joe Paterno.
For over 40 years, the man assured the parents of boys that they would be safe in his hands at Penn State. And when one or more pre-teen boys needed a protector, Joe Paterno said "I did the bare legal minimum, what more should you expect of me."
I'm through. Defend him all you want.
Good point.
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