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To: M. Dodge Thomas
So you have to ask "How many bits of the apple is it reasonable to take", and expect to get a different result?

Perhaps you should try eating something else for a change. Land temps are horribly corrupted and significantly limited. This is primarily a water planet. Best to use sat temps of atmosphere and sea temps across depth. What apes think the temperature might be in their trees, is immaterial to the energy budget of the planet sun biosphere.

43 posted on 11/09/2011 2:14:36 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape; M. Dodge Thomas
I agree with hairy ape. Satellite temps show about 1-2 degrees of warming per century since 1979. The lower value is based on the fact the in 82 we were hit with El Chichon which bumped temps down a lot and biased the early part of the satellite record. Using land temps is a fool's game, the data is garbage (never mind the metadata).

So what we have is 1 degree of warming per century with no sign of positive feedback from water vapor increases. That makes sense, CO2 is well mixed and warms evenly, that is the 1 degree per century. Water vapor is all over the place, controlled by weather which is mostly controlled by the sun (blocking patterns starting in the stratosphere modulated by solar ultraviolet). The ocean cycles are another form of weather that will control temperatures mostly regionally, also globally, with no effects from CO2. Some of the 80's and 90's warming is from decreased longwave radiation to space from the effects of those long term weather patterns.

48 posted on 11/09/2011 4:04:50 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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