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The Venom in Feds' Vaccinations
Townhall.com ^ | November 8, 2011 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 11/08/2011 3:56:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Nifster

>>Perhaps what we are seeing is increased reporting and diagnostics as the ‘spectrum’ is ever expanded.<<

This is part of the problem. It’s a money maker.
We have friends with two children who DO have Autism Spectrum Disorders. There is not a doubt when one see them. The parents put in a huge effort and, imo are walking saints.

Then I see the kids who are labelled with “Autism Spectrum” who come from families that put in the barest minimum effort. One friend of ours told me that her son has Autism. She let this child do whatever he wanted and blamed the behavior on his disorder. This child never misbehaved around me or my kids because we would tell him that he was acting like a brat. Last night I got a text saying that he made National Honor Society.

With that, I have friends with a daughter labelled with Aspergers. The parents have a house that the hoarders show would take weeks in. They spend their lives stuck in books or on the computer. The girl is inappropriate until someone tells her the correct way to act. (like her marching band teacher) Yet, both these kids are in special classes with IEPs and the schools make big cash on them.

It bugs me that the kids that really need help lose out because we are labeling every behavior problem as a disorder.


21 posted on 11/08/2011 6:12:33 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: SaraJohnson

Because you have incidence reportage is NOT an indication of growth. Cancer (of any sort) used to be considered very rare, as science got better at detecting and identifying cancer rates “went up”. Not all cancers will kill you in a short time span. We must be watchful in terms of trying to explain that which may not have an explanation


22 posted on 11/08/2011 7:56:10 AM PST by Nifster
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To: netmilsmom

Thank you. My point could not be better illustrated.


23 posted on 11/08/2011 8:01:35 AM PST by Nifster
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To: Nifster
Try this on

Quackwatch is a drug company shill. Pure crap.

24 posted on 11/08/2011 8:24:45 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: LibsRJerks
My God, what a devastating story. I don't know if you've read up on Jenny McCarthy, the actress whose son was diagnosed with autism. I always thought she was a total ditz until I saw her on Larry King one night talking about how she handled her son to a point where he was "undiagnosed" of autism. It was really riveting to listen to her explain what she'd done to handle her child.

She wouldn't come right out and say that vaccines were the cause but at the end of the interview Larry King asked her if she had it to do over again, would she vaccinate her son. She paused and said.......no. That said it all.

Google her and hopefully you'll get some promising help and results.
25 posted on 11/08/2011 8:51:58 AM PST by Shannon
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To: Shannon
Google her and hopefully you'll get some promising help and results.

Let me help.

26 posted on 11/08/2011 2:15:35 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB
Did you even look at that link? That's an anti Jenny McCarthy site and in no way will it help any parents with an autistic child.

I think it was rather hostile of you to post that. I was trying to help the parents with a devastating situation on their hands. You, on the other hand, mister smart aleck.
27 posted on 11/08/2011 3:05:34 PM PST by Shannon
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To: SaraJohnson

The “rise” is caused by expansion of the definition. Most of the categories within the autism spectrum have only been created in the last 10 to 20 years. Any kid with those problems before then weren’t considered autistic. There’s a whole lot of illnesses that have been “rising” that way since the 80s, pretty much everybody has a syndrome these days, because almost everything that deviates even slightly from the norm now has a label.


28 posted on 11/08/2011 3:11:19 PM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: Shannon
Did you even look at that link? That's an anti Jenny McCarthy site and in no way will it help any parents with an autistic child.

Yes. It is an anti-McCarthy website. Do you know how? It tells the truth. She has absolutely no background (no, taking off your clothes in public does not confer any scientific knowledge) to lecture anyone on autism etiology, treatment or cure (because there is none). If you want to help someone with an autistic child, send them to the Autism Science Foundation or related site.

I think it was rather hostile of you to post that.

Hostile? You might want to look up the definition of that word.

I was trying to help the parents with a devastating situation on their hands.

Sending them to a person who has no science background is "helping"?

You, on the other hand, mister smart aleck.

Yes?

29 posted on 11/08/2011 3:48:31 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: discostu
Hey stu, long time no see!

I see that nothing's changed. Been back for a few days and all I've been doing is fighting the same old anti-vax woo.

I guess a doctor's job is never done. ;-)

30 posted on 11/08/2011 3:50:40 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: SamuraiScot
My experience is different. Growing up, I never heard of autism or the behavior pattern now described as autism. But I did see Thalidomide babies sometimes, and many cases of Mongolism and other forms of retardation. But as a parent over the past two decades, I have seen a half-dozen cases of autism just among families I know. The increase cannot be attributed to educrats' rent-seeking behavior alone. We may or may not have the last word on the cause, but there is a real phenomenon here.

When I was growing up, retarded and mentally ill children were often placed in institutions for care. There is more of a push to keep these children in their families these days. If most of the genuine autistic children were institutionalized in the 60s, but the institutionalization rate has been dropping, of course you will run into more autistic children.

There is also a simple phenomenon whereby you begin noticing something only when your attention is drawn to it. Furthermore, with the use of prenatal testing, about 90% of the children having a developmental disorder with a known genetic basis (e.g. trisomy 21, 18, or 13) are aborted. So there just aren't as many children with developmental disorders these days, making the remaining ones stand out.

My point, said in a rather roundabout way, is that there are all kinds of reasons for increased perception of autism that don't equate to increased incidence of autism.

31 posted on 11/08/2011 3:57:29 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: SaraJohnson

The problem is that autism as a diagnosis is deliberately broad. It can be a catch all for a LOT of diseases.


32 posted on 11/08/2011 4:06:49 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: exDemMom
Just a clarification, Trisomy 18 or Edwards syndrome is fatal. Normally they die in the last month or so of the pregnancy or shortly and I mean shortly after birth. Why someone would abort a baby who is going to die anyway is beyond me. I know this because I lost my first baby boy to Trisomy 18. I was "counseled" by the doctor to deliver him early at 25 weeks when we got the diagnosis. We didn't. (At least he didn't suggest abortion.) It made no sense to me to end this precious child's life before God had intended. I was able to carry him for 32 weeks and we got to hold him as he passed from this life. I know I did what God asked of me, to carry that baby until He was ready for him in Heaven.

33 posted on 11/08/2011 4:18:52 PM PST by UnRuley1
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To: SaraJohnson
Autism is increasing and they have shown no care as to what is causing this increase.

Last year, the federal government spent $218 million dollars on autism research. Note that the table makes two columns for 2009, 2010, and 2011 spending, to show that "stimulus" funding paid for some of the research.

That is more funding than quite a few other diseases receive. It appears to me that there is a great deal of "care" in determining what causes autism, and how to treat it.

34 posted on 11/08/2011 4:25:56 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Shannon

bttt


35 posted on 11/08/2011 4:36:17 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: UnRuley1
Actually, over 50% of children with T18 are born alive. And I found this at Wiki:

In England and Wales, there were 495 diagnoses of Edwards' syndrome (trisomy 18) in 2008/2009, of which 92% were made prenatally. There were 339 terminations, 49 stillbirths/miscarriages/fetal deaths, 72 unknown outcomes, and 35 live births.

So abortion is not that rare.

36 posted on 11/08/2011 4:37:46 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: rarestia

I would agree that shifting more and more manufacturing overseas leads to real concerns about the quality of the products. This goes for agriculture products, as well.

I do not know what time frame you are talking about, when you say that your pediatrician wanted to use you as a guinea pig. I do know, however, that medical ethics is a developing field, and has come a long way since surgeons could get away with performing experiments on anesthetized patients without their knowledge or consent.

A researcher wanting to do research with human subjects these days has to submit a protocol to what is called the “Institutional Review Board,” and they judge the protocol on whether it meets the ethical standards first, and whether it is scientifically valid second. I have sat on some of these boards.

Assuming the protocol gets approval from the board, the researcher then must advertise the research in the form of a poster which includes the protocol number and approval date. The researcher can discuss the protocol with the patient, and must get a signed informed consent from the patient. If the patient is a child, then the parent must be informed of the research intent, benefits, and risks. Depending on the age of the child, the child can agree to participate in the research, as long as the parent gives the final permission.

Research is very heavily regulated, especially where it concerns children, persons of diminished mental capacity, and prisoners.

I should also add that the regulations regarding animal research are just as strict.


37 posted on 11/08/2011 4:40:08 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: UnRuley1
Just a clarification, Trisomy 18 or Edwards syndrome is fatal. Normally they die in the last month or so of the pregnancy or shortly and I mean shortly after birth. Why someone would abort a baby who is going to die anyway is beyond me. I know this because I lost my first baby boy to Trisomy 18. I was "counseled" by the doctor to deliver him early at 25 weeks when we got the diagnosis. We didn't. (At least he didn't suggest abortion.) It made no sense to me to end this precious child's life before God had intended. I was able to carry him for 32 weeks and we got to hold him as he passed from this life. I know I did what God asked of me, to carry that baby until He was ready for him in Heaven.

I think the severity of the syndrome depends on how much of the chromosome in question was triplicated. Trisomies 13 and 18 are more lethal than 21, but not all children die at or near birth with them. There is also a survivable trisomy of the sex chromosomes; any other trisomy is completely lethal.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

38 posted on 11/08/2011 5:14:20 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: LibsRJerks
I just want to know what exactly turns a perfectly healthy and intelligent child into a stimming, speech delayed, tantrumming neurologically affected MESS in less than a year? What disease? What virus? What process DOES this to a child??

There are a number of neurological diseases that turn what appear to be healthy, normal children into deathly ill, developmentally delayed children. Sometimes, it's because toxins normally present in the body are not broken down and discarded as they would be in a normal child, leading to a toxic buildup and subsequent neurological damage. These are genetic disorders.

39 posted on 11/08/2011 5:21:59 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: TomB
No dictionary needed. I don't have to look any farther than your comment to know what "hostile" is.

From reading your comment it would appear that you think that any mother who helps her child through a medical issue is worthless unless she's got a science degree. Brilliant. Stick the other foot in, bud.
40 posted on 11/08/2011 5:30:06 PM PST by Shannon
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