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Posted on 11/07/2011 8:56:35 PM PST by truthfreedom
why are you people falling for all this? It’s designed to suppress the vote.
I hate to say this, but I’m starting to form an opinion of why Perry has never lost a race.
Cain, for starters. :-D
It all goes back to Rove, folks. Follow the influence...
Rove is Romney’s man.
Really?
If it's wrong to comment as the original source then it's wrong to comment as the second source.
...whether the second source was asked or not.
You don't understand that??
Wilson denies that he was the source of the Politico story but when asked he said he did witness an incident that showed aggressive behavior by Herman Cain and so did others. Greta Van Susteren made an allegation that Wilson was the source but offered no proof of her assertion, which seems odd from a lawyer who knows better. It is difficult to see how unsubstantiated allegations (and that’s all they are) contribute to an accurate picture of Politico’s source for the original story it published or how they contribute to a more accurate understanding of what happened. Certainly joining in with unsubstantiated allegations based on a dislike of Governor Perry does not help Herman Cain or any Republican. The only one helped by such behavior is the man occupying the Oval Office.
I’ll say one more thing, but first admit I certainly am not certain of the facts; I really would rather stay out of the whole thing.
But the 3rd woman is not “made up”; AP has interviewed her, and gotten a story from her. She could be making it up, but she “exists” in that sense.
I understand what you are saying about the “no complaint made” sounding like it isn’t #1 or #2; although that could be an error, or it could mean the complaint made wasn’t about this incident, but another one. So far as I can tell, #3 spoke about a hotel invite, NOT a restaurant dinner; so far as I can tell, the only one talking the dinner is Wilson. Another attendee at the dinner said he saw nothing, so it could be that Wilson WAS talking about #1 or #2, but that what he describes the woman didn’t think was an issue and didn’t report.
I don’t want to sound like I’m defending Wilson. I’ve consistantly said his jumping into this was sleazy, and only argued that he didn’t give the original story to politico. I also don’t think his participation was a “campaign” decision. He is “associated” with Perry, but through a contracting relationship. He’s definitely a Perry supporter, but I don’t blame candidates for what their supporters do. Perry can’t fire him from the company Wilson runs, or do anything about the independent PAC.
I would have liked to have seen Perry say something about Wilson — but in his defense, that same time we had Cain and Block attacking Kurt Anderson, who actually was a worker for the Perry campaign, and that charge was later withdrawn, and Perry was probably smart to stay completely out of this mess.
Sorry to go on so....
Third Cain accuser emerges:This story tells that AP has interviewed the woman; "Cain's third accuser was located and approached by the AP as part of its investigation into harassment complaints against Cain" -- doesn't sound like they got her name from Wilson to me.
BUT, and this was a new link for me for the AP story, I just found this interesting tidbit at the bottom of the story:
But Chris Wilson, a pollster who did work for the restaurant association during Cain's tenure, said in an interview that he witnessed the businessman making inappropriate comments and gestures toward a young woman who worked for the group during a dinner at a hotel in Arlington, Va., in the late 1990s. Wilson declined to discuss more specifics without the woman's permission, but said it was not one of the two women who settled complaints against Cain and it was not the third woman interviewed by the AP.So if the Miami-Dade Herald is to be believed (not saying it is), we may both have been "wrong", if Wilson wasn't talking about the 2 original women OR the 3rd woman, but rather a 4th woman.
That would BTW also make us both "right" -- you noting that Wilson's woman didn't make a complaint and wasn't the first two, and that we didn't know who the "wilson woman" was; and me saying that Wilson didn't ID the 3rd woman because she was found by the AP.
So now, I will say Wilson didn't bring the 3rd woman forward, but Wilson's story is baseless -- there is no woman actually saying anything happened, and another person at the dinner said he saw nothing happen. And Wilson is still a sleaze.
Now I'm going to go away.
If I have this right, Wilson is not an employee of the Perry campaign but rather has his own market research firm. The firm has done work for Perry.
Huge difference. No one wants to be identified as the original source for reasons of reputation. It gives a person an aura of being untrustworthy ... a potential client will think "if I give him my business, what confidential pieces of info will he leak?"
Responding when a reporter who has a tip comes to you is just perceived differently.
I know it is "perceived" differently. But that wasn't my point.
It’s not that, it’s Wilson works for the Perry Superpac. Not the official campaign. It’s not that Wilson is an independent contractor. He does work for the official superpac.
Yeah, I read a bunch of stories too. And I didn’t see any additional stories besides this one that said
1) - the restaurant woman that Perry’s Wilson was talking about didn’t file a complaint.
Oh, well we know that Perry’s Kurt used to work for Cain and according to Cain, Kurt knew about these charges from about 2003.
But Kurt denied it. And Cain accepted his word.
And we know that Perry’s Wilson did talk about this matter.
That’s what we know.
Well, Perry has used the sleaziest of sleazeball tactics.
See the first time Rove ran Perry’s campaign in 1990 against Jim Hightower, and what happened there.
Perry is the only Republican candidate I’d call a bad person.
Some may be unqualified. Others may be too liberal.
But Perry is a bad person. And his supporters lie first and lie often.
There's strong speculation that woman #4 is ALSO woman #2.
There's thin accusation, but it's in an echo chamber.
I believe Block only apologized for accusing the Perry campaign. He did not absolve them of guilt.
The lawyer Bennett said last week that another woman, coincidentally named "Sharon", called him but then decided not to go forward.
So in that case, Woman #3 is also Woman #4. And if Woman #4 is also Woman #2, then Woman #3 *IS* Woman #2. It's all becoming clear now.
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