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Perry and Gingrich inch their way back to form new second tier
Washington Post ^ | 11-04-2011 | Aaron Blake

Posted on 11/06/2011 8:16:51 PM PST by smoothsailing

Perry and Gingrich inch their way back to form new second tier

Aaron Blake

November 4, 2011

Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich have recovered some of the ground that they lost and are back in double digits in the GOP presidential race, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

The two men now make up, along with Rep. Ron Paul (Texas), a pretty distinct new second tier in a race that hasn’t really had defined tiers until now — apart from the top tier, of course.

The two men have now positioned themselves as potential beneficiaries if Herman Cain ’s problems persist and his supporters desert him. But they need some help.

The new poll showed Perry, the Texas governor, at 13 percent and Gingrich, the former House speaker, at 12 percent. Both are about 10 points off the pace set by Cain and former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Paul follows at 8 percent, and “no other candidate” is at about 4 percent.

The recovery is notable for Perry and Gingrich because both men had seen their personal favorability numbers worsen and their supporters migrate elsewhere after some hiccups in their campaigns.

That weakening seems to have stopped and has actually reversed to some degree.

For Perry, the news is particularly encouraging because he has the money of a frontrunner and could pretty quickly become a contender again....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; cain; formerdemocrat; hermancain; newt; newtgingrich; openborders; perry; rino; ronpaul
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To: wolfcreek

Perry’s role in the Gardasil fiasco did happen.

Only because the legislature stepped in and stopped it. That is the only reason why the girls were not shot up with Gardasil.

Perry did make a deal with Merck and so did his chief staffer.

Gardasil is just the tip of the iceberg with Rick Perry.

Perry can’t even go after Obama for his fast and loose use of Executive Orders.


41 posted on 11/07/2011 6:12:41 AM PST by dforest
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To: newzjunkey

Clarence Thomas !
Hi-tech lynching !
Quit picking on the Black Guy!
Reparation Zones!
American First! Black Second! Conservative Last!
China nukes!
Right of return? Is that like a bottle deposit?
$9.99 special ! Eat in or carry out?


42 posted on 11/07/2011 6:14:26 AM PST by magritte
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To: McGavin999

Yes McGavin - you are correct.

You: “I have to laugh at people saying “they’re only low paying jobs” LOL. Even if that were true, which it is not, people with NO job would love to have the opportunity to have ANY job.”


I just looked up help wanted on Jobs in Texas and there are 56,000 jobs available.

help wanted in Texas: (opening positions)

just an example of half of them:

3947...for registered nurses
3067...for Engineers
2430...for Systems Analyst
2314...for Retail Supervisors
1933...for Web Developers
1893...for Customer Service Reps
1701...for PHP Programmers
1580...for Sales Managers
1400...for .net Programmers
1267...for Salespersons
1255...for Sales Manager
1232...for IT Managers
1182...for Technical Support


43 posted on 11/07/2011 6:21:57 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: TexMom7
LOL, God knows those are "low paying jobs"!!!!!

One of the things that easterners and CAlifornians don't understand is that the cost of living is WAY lower in Texas. I was stunned at watching how much house you can buy for your money in Texas.

44 posted on 11/07/2011 6:46:11 AM PST by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: smoothsailing

Well shucks! BTW, love that picture. And that one, too..


45 posted on 11/07/2011 7:12:57 AM PST by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: indylindy
You ignore the fact that there was an opt-out and it would have been an easy online form.

http://www.tmcwhn.org/documents/farrar-speech.pdf

This is a speech by Jessica Farrar, State Rep May 9th, 2007, to the Texas Legislature regarding the HB 1098 to rescind the Exec Order.

Excerpts from Farrar's Speech:

I knew in November of last year when I prefiled HB 215 to require the HPV vaccine for girls entering the sixth grade that I was going to have an uphill battle.

However, I had no idea that a medical breakthrough that prevents a form of cancer in women would be so unwelcome by this legislative body.

We all know that Gov. Perry issued his Executive Order on February 2 requiring the HPV vaccine for girls entering the sixth grade. HB 1098 by Rep. Bonnen followed and has effectively insured that Gov. Perry's Executive Order will never be implemented.

Yesterday, Governor Perry decided he would not veto HB 1098 due to the fact that he knows the legislature has the power to override his veto. Perhaps he also decided to not veto the bill for other reasons. I cannot speak on Gov. Perry's behalf nor do I want to.

Instead, I am here today to speak for myself and the many girls and women affected by the fact that we as a legislative body have essentially blocked access to this lifesaving vaccine for so many of our Texas girls.

When HB 1098 was debated on the floor, we heard Rep. Bonnen and others repeatedly say they had nothing against Texas families having access to the HPV vaccine for their daughters. I'm here to tell you that in blocking the school based requirement for the vaccine, these people did indeed deny many of our girls access to the HPV vaccine.

After all, we live in Texas. Since this legislature is very much responsible for the fact that we do not have more and better healthcare programs for the children of our state, we should know that many Texas children do not have medical homes. They do not have the regular checkups with their pediatricians that allow parents to hear about the newest medical advances. They are victims of a broken system that is made up of the haves and the have nots, and they are on the losing end.......................

Those young women that were denied access to the vaccine will deserve an answer, and I invite every member of this House that voted against a schoolbased HPV vaccine requirement to start thinking of one because it will be on you to provide it to them...............

And for those of you that in any way voted against making this lifesaving vaccine available to all of the girls in our state, I invite you to also explain to these young women why you saw it fit to get your own daughters and granddaughters vaccinated against HPV through the physicians your private health insurance plan pays for. If they are worth protecting, why aren't all of the girls of Texas worthy of the same?

But this isn't just about the HPV vaccine. It's about the fact that our priorities in this legislature are focused on everything but what the residents of our state truly need. We've allowed fear and misguided ideology to determine our course, and that is reprehensible. The debate on the HPV vaccine has just been a sad commentary on the state of this legislative body.

From the beginning, the debate on HPV and the vaccine to prevent its infection in this House has been about everything but saving women's lives. It has been about misinformation on the merits of the vaccine, misinformation on the effect it would have on teen sexuality, and it has most certainly been on everything but the scientific and medical facts that tell us the vaccine prevents both suffering and death.

It has been about the Governor overreaching his authority. This is especially disturbing given the events of the past few days. HB 13, which gives the Governor massive amounts of power, was just passed with almost no hesitation or debate from the vast majority of this House.

Yet those same members that voted for HB 13 condemned what they saw as an overreach of power by the Governor when he actually tried to prevent cancer in women. If that's not hypocrisy on the part of the members of this House, I don't know what is.

The debate has also been about the false belief that vaccine requirements intrude on parental rights. Requiring the HPV vaccine for school admission would not force anyone to get the vaccine. What it would do is require parents to make an informed decision whether or not to vaccinate their daughters against HPV. It would also provide access to the vaccine to the huge portions of our population that would otherwise never know about it or be offered it.

And finally, the debate has been about judgment. Judgment of the poor and uninformed apparently they don't deserve to have access to this vaccine. Judgment of the women that contract HPV apparently having sex, even if it's with your only lifetime sexual partner, is enough for you to deserve the virus and its potential consequences.

But, again, this isn't just about the HPV vaccine. It's about the fact that our priorities in this legislature are focused on everything but healthcare, education, children, families, counseling, violence prevention programs, consumer protection, protecting the environment, and generally helping those that most need help.

It's about the fact that I believe we have lost our way, and refusing to help save women's lives is a particularly glaring example of this.

So today when HB 1098 becomes law and effectively denies a lifesaving cancer vaccine to so many of our Texas girls, I ask you to think about what we have done. I ask that you think of the girls, boys, women, and men our decisions and actions affect on a daily basis. And I ask you to put yourself in their shoes the next time you have to decide how to vote on something as important as a cancer vaccine.

This is especially relevant today given that we just passed a cancer research bill. Obviously, we realize that this is an important topic. I just wonder if this legislature will react the same way the next time we have a vaccine that prevents cancer available to us and the people of Texas.

46 posted on 11/07/2011 7:13:15 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: All
Again to highlight important info regarding HPV Vaccine debate in Texas 2007:

From the beginning, the debate on HPV and the vaccine to prevent its infection in this House has been about everything but saving women's lives. It has been about misinformation on the merits of the vaccine, misinformation on the effect it would have on teen sexuality, and it has most certainly been on everything but the scientific and medical facts that tell us the vaccine prevents both suffering and death.

It has been about the Governor overreaching his authority. This is especially disturbing given the events of the past few days. HB 13, which gives the Governor massive amounts of power, was just passed with almost no hesitation or debate from the vast majority of this House.

Yet those same members that voted for HB 13 condemned what they saw as an overreach of power by the Governor when he actually tried to prevent cancer in women. If that's not hypocrisy on the part of the members of this House, I don't know what is.

The debate has also been about the false belief that vaccine requirements intrude on parental rights. Requiring the HPV vaccine for school admission would not force anyone to get the vaccine. What it would do is require parents to make an informed decision whether or not to vaccinate their daughters against HPV. It would also provide access to the vaccine to the huge portions of our population that would otherwise never know about it or be offered it.........

This is especially relevant today given that we just passed a cancer research bill. Obviously, we realize that this is an important topic. I just wonder if this legislature will react the same way the next time we have a vaccine that prevents cancer available to us and the people of Texas.

47 posted on 11/07/2011 7:20:01 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: smoothsailing

>> “The first time I ever heard the paper called that was years ago by Col. Ollie North!” <<

.
That’s the guy!

Iran-Contra. - The Mediots screamed “scandal” but the American people saw it as smart strategy. Time has proven the people right.


48 posted on 11/07/2011 9:33:10 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: TexMom7

The vaccine has caused more death and suffering than it could ever possibly prevent. In fact no evidence of prevention has ever been documented.


49 posted on 11/07/2011 9:36:39 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: magritte

The whole Gardasil story was 100% evil.


50 posted on 11/07/2011 9:52:57 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Tribune7

I’m talking about holding my nose and supporting the Republican Nominee in November 2012.

I will do that with whoever the Republicans come up with, except for Perry.


51 posted on 11/07/2011 9:55:26 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: wolfcreek

You’re a liar, and one of the reasons why Perry is the ONLY unacceptable candidate is that his supporters are such bold-faced liars.

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Quality Free Republic Perry Links : 2007 (Part I - Gardasil)
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Downright eerie how Perry’s people talked about Merck product on same day Merck gave Perry money
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1790722/posts
I wonder how many people actually believe it when the governor’s office says it was just a coincidence that the drug company Merck
donated $5,000 to Rick Perry’s campaign on the same day Perry’s people discussed Merck’s HPV vaccine.

Perry orders anti-cancer vaccine for schoolgirls
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1778223/posts
I find it to be a huge intrusion by goverment to MANDATE that any American be injected with ANYTHING.

Gov Perry’s HPV vaccination order angers pro-family group
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780119/posts
I held my nose and voted for him the last election, The last time I will ever vote for the least evil.

Passed Signed Into Law (Texas Legislature)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1841432/posts
PASSED, BECOMING LAW WITHOUT SIGNATURE
Cervical Cancer Vaccine: Blocks state officials from following Gov. Rick Perry’s order requiring the vaccine against the
human papillomavirus for sixth-grade girls. The vaccine protects against strains of the sexually transmitted virus
that cause most cases of cervical cancer.

(Vanity) Gardasil and the Reproductive Rights Agenda
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1786731/posts
Today, Texas governor Rick Perry signed the order requiring this vaccination.

Injecting Speed - Why the rush to require the HPV vaccine?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788355/posts
Texas Gov. Rick Perry skipping the debate entirely this month by issuing an executive order which, he insists, cannot be repealed by the legislature.

Mandating Gardasil: A Gross Infringement On Parental Rights
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782135/posts
In a statement released Jan 22, the American College of Pediatrics noted that mandating Gardasil
for school attendance “is a serious, precedent-setting action” replacing parental medical decision making with government regulations.
Likewise, Focus on the Family warned last year, that state officials, not parents, would become the
primary sexual-health decision makers for America’s children

Merck’s [HPV] vaccine tied to 3 deaths [Company lobbied states for shots to be required]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840290/posts
Texas Gov. Rick Perry in February issued an executive order requiring those vaccinations,
but the state legislature rescinded it, citing those concerns.


52 posted on 11/07/2011 10:10:37 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: magritte
Right of return? Is that like a bottle deposit?

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53 posted on 11/07/2011 11:03:42 AM PST by smoothsailing (FUMR-FUBO- the left is a seething mass neurosis)
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To: magritte; NewsJunky; shield; hocndoc; bullypulpit; casinva
I couldn't help myself! :o)

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Herbie the Jokenator

(h/tip magritte)

54 posted on 11/07/2011 11:27:14 AM PST by smoothsailing (FUMR-FUBO- the left is a seething mass neurosis)
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To: Notary Sojac
Can a President & Vice-President of USA be from the same state?

http://askville.amazon.com/President-Vice-President-USA-state/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=18135791

55 posted on 11/07/2011 11:43:50 AM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! And no thank you Cain.)
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To: smoothsailing

Hehehe...


56 posted on 11/07/2011 11:52:40 AM PST by magritte
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To: indylindy; truthfreedom
The Garasil mandate never went to fruition. There may have been deals or whatever but, the program never happened.

http://www.dmnews.com/texas-governor-backs-off-mandatory-gardasil-vaccination-effort-ap/article/24082/ BTW: they're recommending it for boys now.

57 posted on 11/07/2011 12:13:48 PM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Ingtar

Look at all the polls at RCP since the Cain harassment storyu broke, and Perry put out his tax plan.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
————————————————————————————— -——————————————————————Cain-———Perry
USA Today/Gallup-——11/2-11/6-————21-————11
ABC News/Wash Post-—10/31 - 11/3-——23-————14
Rasmussen Reports——11/2 - 11/2————26-————8
Quinnipiac-—————10/25 - 10/31———30-————8

There is a clear trend. Cain has been losing support, and Perry hsa come up from single digits.


58 posted on 11/07/2011 1:09:21 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: magritte; smoothsailing

I’m really just waiting for Sarah’s endorsement any minute now..


59 posted on 11/07/2011 1:36:34 PM PST by txhurl (If Perry's a RINO, so are Gingrich and Cain.)
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To: txhurl; magritte

Perry and Palin are good friends, apparently, so if she was going to endorse anyone, it would probably be Rick. After all, she has done it before!


60 posted on 11/07/2011 1:58:54 PM PST by smoothsailing (FUMR-FUBO- the left is a seething mass neurosis)
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