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German TV boldly shows ‘Nazi’ Star Trek episode
The Local ^ | 4 Nov 11 11:02 CET

Posted on 11/04/2011 11:29:36 AM PDT by Olog-hai

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To: FlipWilson; al baby
"“What about Bob Crane he was an interesting fella?” Think about it. We have a guy who was a womanizer and stole his friends wives yet was not named Kennedy. That is pretty interesting right there."

And Bob Crane was murdered.

"Crane's life and murder were the subject of the 2002 film Auto Focus, directed by Paul Schrader and starring Greg Kinnear as Crane. The film, based on Graysmith's book Auto Focus: The Murder of Bob Crane, portrays Crane as a happily married, church-going family man and popular L.A. disc jockey who suddenly becomes a Hollywood celebrity, and subsequently declines into sex addiction. Crane's son, Scotty, bitterly attacked the film as being inaccurate. In an October 2002 piece he wrote on the movie, Scotty said that his father was not a regular church-goer and had only been to church three times in the last dozen years of his life, which included his own funeral. There is no evidence that Crane engaged in S&M and director Paul Schrader told Scotty that the S&M scene was based on his own personal experience. Scotty also claims that his father and John Carpenter did not become close friends who socialized together until 1975. Also, Crane was a sex addict long before he became a star, who started recording his sexual encounters at least as early as 1956.[9] Scotty and his mother had shopped a rival script for a Bob Crane movie biography. The script, alternately entitled "F-Stop" and "Take Off Your Clothes and Smile". The spec script was written up in Variety by venerable columnist Army Archerd, but after "Auto-Focus" was announced, interest in Scotty's script ceased.[10] At the time of the article denouncing Auto Focus, Scotty Crane was operating the Web site www.bobcrane.com, which included a paid section the featured outtakes from his father's pornographic films and videos. It also included the autopsy report, which Crane claimed proved his allegation that his father did not have a penile implant. The site now calling itself "Bob Crane The Official Web Site" is now far more sedate and does not include any controversial material."

Great epitaph by son ..."Scotty said that his father was not a regular church-goer and had only been to church three times in the last dozen years of his life, which included his own funeral.....and, his father did not have a penile implant."

61 posted on 11/04/2011 12:50:05 PM PDT by FW190
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To: justlurking
No, sorry far-left. Hitler grabbed guns, destroyed religion, pushed nanny state eating and non-smoking campaigns. Left as you get. You need to read this...
63 posted on 11/04/2011 12:55:21 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: pabianice

Stargate Unwatchable killed it.


64 posted on 11/04/2011 12:55:40 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: justlurking
Sorry, read this..


65 posted on 11/04/2011 12:57:08 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: pabianice

Not discussing TOS and movies but Star Trek.

Highly relevant.

The cultural impact started with TOS.


66 posted on 11/04/2011 1:07:14 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: henkster

In terms of war production, bureaucratic and military command organization, and war strategy, it was anything but efficient.


You got that right. It was intrinsically corrupt. Like the Crony Capitalism of the Obama Administration on steroids. Everything the military needed to fight the war from tires to radio parts to ammo was coming from some version of Solyndra.


67 posted on 11/04/2011 1:22:46 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: justlurking
Again, it depends on how you define fascism on the political spectrum. It's generally considered them to be on the right end.

That was the whole point of the remark in the first place - that the Left has defined Nazism as right wing arbitrarily to tarnish the right when, in reality and from an American perspective, Nazism was an extremely left wing philosophy, since it embodied the idea of power centralized in the government with the people subservient. The extreme right end of the spectrum in American political philosophy would actually be more libertarian (limited government). The widespread acceptance of the current definition of fascist as right wing is nothing more than the result of left wing propaganda.
68 posted on 11/04/2011 2:38:09 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Political Junkie Too
Yeah, kind of like how 2nd Lt. Richard Winters rose to become the Major commander of a battalion in the 101st Airborn in WWII.

In the Star Trek reboot, Kirk hadn't even graduated the Starfleet Academy yet - he was still a cadet. The idea that he might have been acting commander, once the actual commander got bumped off, on a ship full of cadets is not too drastically unbelievable, but the idea that he would have received his first commission as a full-fledged Captain is ludicrous.
69 posted on 11/04/2011 2:47:49 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: justlurking
Political Spectrum
70 posted on 11/04/2011 2:52:08 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Olog-hai

Soooo, in episode fuenfzig, venn you vore a Natzi uniform, was zat a zign off your Natzi sumpaties?

71 posted on 11/04/2011 2:52:26 PM PDT by x
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To: merryandrew
The original continuity didn't really tell much about Kirk's previous service record. There were occasional references in the series to him serving as an Academy instructor, helmsman on a ship, etc (i.e. a normal path to a captaincy, not the instant-promotion nonsense in the reboot movie).

"Where No Man Has Gone Before" (ep 1.3) Gary Mitchell says the following:

"Hey, man, I remember you back at the Academy; a stack of books with legs! The only thing I ever heard from an upperclassman was, "Watch out for Lt. Kirk! In his class, you either think, or sink!"

Then follows up with what has been ret-con'd to be a comment about Carol Marcus:

"If I hadn't aimed that little blond technician at you... "
72 posted on 11/04/2011 3:17:40 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Olog-hai

Fascinating TBS, but also one of the series’ more interesting episodes as well !

FWIW, “Star Trek” was very often “cutting edge” on social/historical issues, (At least when they could smuggle them by network/sponsor censors, that is.) After all a black female holding a commander’s rank and in the COC ? How did that happen ? !!! >PS


73 posted on 11/04/2011 3:23:14 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
You've fallen for the revisionist history, which was taught to all of the post-war generation(s).

I didn't fall for any revisionism. I simply recognize there's a difference between fascism and socialism. omega4179 put his finger on the reason: it's the source of ideology, rather than the outcome. Fascism uses patriotism, while socialism uses class warfare.

Both are authoritarian. They have some things in common, that doesn't make them the same. And that's why a lot of conservatives protest, because the existence of authoritarianism on the right end of the political spectrum makes them uncomfortable.

The "left-right" spectrum is a totally inadequate way to categorize political ideologies.

Yup, that's exactly what I meant when I posted to WayneS that I don't consider the political spectrum to be bipolar.

74 posted on 11/05/2011 6:30:14 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: pabianice
Frankly, the TOS wasn't very good. Only the rosy hue of memory makes one think so. But it was all we had in the 60s.

In retrospect, it wasn't very good -- especially when we compare it to what has been produced since then.

But back then, it was ground-breaking. Star Trek broke a number of taboos in TV entertainment, especially regarding the roles of women and race.

But, I agree with you about the movies being the best part. However, don't forget that the Wrath of Khan was a sequel to one of the TOS episodes: Space Seed. The role of Khan was even played by the same actor: Ricardo Montalban.

75 posted on 11/05/2011 6:52:55 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking; WayneS
I probably shouldn't have said you've “fallen for revisionist history”. Clearly, you've given this a lot of independent thought & you probably don't “fall” for much. However, official history (the stuff of school indoctrination, and MSM propaganda) has been revised to suit the purposes of the leftists. I suspect that all of us “fell” for that revisionism, at one time (I know I did). After all, that's the only story we were told.

Yes, NAZIs were “national socialists”, and patriotism (or more accurately racism) was their main unifying principle. Otherwise, they were socialists. They had extensive social programs. The main difference between NAZIs (on the economic front) was that the commies “socialized” the “means of production”, while the NAZIs and fascists left most of the private sector nominally private. They were content to bend industry to their will (crony capitalism), rather than attempt to micro-manage every aspect.

Let's also consider that one of the first things the NAZIs did was to drive out, or kill off many of the 1%ers of the day. (Those “greedy” Jewish bankers.) While they went on to kill many more, in the name of “racial purification”, they started off from a position very near to that of the OWS campers (who have been known to call for a purge of “rich Jew bankers”). The NAZIs did leave most of the 1%ers alone — as wholly-owned crony capitalists. They even had their “Government Motors” of the day (Volkswagen, Mercedes).

The NAZIs also went on to kill off millions of “useless eaters” — which was seen to be necessary to make their social programs affordable. A far-left government is much more likely, than a pro-life right wing government, to do that, in the name of “saving social security”, or “making free health care affordable”.

I missed your comment to WayneS about the bipolar political spectrum. We're agreed on that — it's down to a matter of choosing the axes, and placing the ideologies on the matrix.

76 posted on 11/05/2011 12:45:10 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Moose4
If they had actual Nazi or SS symbols on them like swastikas or sig runes, they can’t be shown in Germany—the display of those symbols is illegal.

My understanding is that those laws have been relaxed

77 posted on 11/05/2011 3:46:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: KevinDavis

Thanks Olog-hai. from early this month.


78 posted on 11/28/2011 7:33:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Political Junkie Too

There is a huge difference between being a midshipman taking over a large ship in an hour, to Lt. winters moving up in the battlefield over two years.

And Lt Winters was real.


79 posted on 11/28/2011 8:01:30 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: justlurking

“Again, it depends on how you define fascism on the political spectrum. It’s generally considered them to be on the right end.”

Correct.

“Personally, I don’t consider the political spectrum to be bipolar. But, I’m in the minority.”
You are not alone ! I personaly think of the political spectrum as a circle. Some radical right wing ideas are very popular among radical left wingers and the other way around.

For example:
Neither one from the left or the right wing likes bailouts for companies. The Arguments are:
- right wing: Theft of taxpayers money for the employees
- left wing: Theft of taxpayers money for the share holders

The idea remains the same: No bailouts.

The other problem is that there is not a single political spectrum there are many depending on the discussed policy.


80 posted on 12/02/2011 10:58:28 PM PST by buzzer (political spectrum)
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