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To: heiss

>>If illegals are made legal, that is amnesty. Thanks for clarifying.
Perry solves illegal immigration by legalizing them.<<

You can’t really be that dense, so we must have a misunderstanding somewhere.

Perry would solve the illegal problem by giving them legal “access” to the U.S. to work. The number given such access could then be controlled, provided the border is properly policed. People here illegally, would still be identified and sent home. This is not anything like amnesty.

It is giving those here illegally the choice to either line up for a green card enabling them to work here legally as citizens of another country, or to risk staying here illegally and being caught doing so and returned to their home country. Furthermore, the number of green cards could be legally established, so even some who wish to stay here legally might not qualify, at least at first, and would have to return home to wait in line for a card.

If you really think this is amnesty, we’ll just be talking past one another. I define amnesty as giving in and issuing all illegals here already their citizenship papers. Perry isn’t advocating that, nor am I.

And, as I said initially, the law should be changed so that the children born here to the holder of such a green card should not be given automatic U.S. citizenship. They should be citizens of the country in which the mother is a citizen. The same should be true of the children of illegals.


123 posted on 11/04/2011 9:37:24 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: Norseman

So perry wants to legalize illegals, i.e. that was my point.
It is called amnesty.

It invites even more illegals (hoping to get similar status) as well as so called legals.

Law-abiding americans have to pay their schooling, welfare and health care while suffering overcrowded schools, hospitals and increase in crime rates


127 posted on 11/04/2011 9:44:18 AM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: Norseman; heiss
You can’t really be that dense, so we must have a misunderstanding somewhere.

Perry would solve the illegal problem by giving them legal “access” to the U.S. to work. The number given such access could then be controlled, provided the border is properly policed. People here illegally, would still be identified and sent home.

This is not anything like amnesty.

am·nes·ty   /ˈæmnəsti/ Show Spelled [am-nuh-stee]

Show IPA noun, plural -ties,verb, -tied, -ty·ing.noun

  1. a general pardon for offenses, especially political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction.

  2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, especially to a class of persons as a whole.

  3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense. verb (used with object)

  4. to grant amnesty to; pardon.


146 posted on 11/04/2011 10:37:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Norseman

The number of those receiving amnesty is not what defines the term.
If the government says that people who have broken a certain law, have not been apprehended, and if the law violators perform certain acts, the specific crime they committed will go away; that is amnesty. It has nothing to do with citizenship.
Governor Perry’s proposal is amnesty. It will forgive a criminal act committed by people who have not been apprehended or convicted. Pure and simple.


149 posted on 11/04/2011 10:44:28 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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